Indiana Oregon jawbreaker

Sheriff Coffee said:
Agreed. HS recruiting is now Kaput. Almost every successful QBs are senior level transfers
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The new model. Seasoned 23-year-olds, strong guys in the trenches, discipline and character. With CMC and some of the players he's brought in so far, PSU may be in a better position than those big time programs still going with the 5* high school kid approach.
 
Frank Lee said:
The new model. Seasoned 23-year-olds, strong guys in the trenches, discipline and character. With CMC and some of the players he's brought in so far, PSU may be in a better position than those big time programs still going with the 5* high school kid approach.
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All that money spent with $10k handshakes and flying private jets to HSs.across rhe nation is useless today.

LdN
 
Frank Lee said:
The new model. Seasoned 23-year-olds, strong guys in the trenches, discipline and character. With CMC and some of the players he's brought in so far, PSU may be in a better position than those big time programs still going with the 5* high school kid approach.
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I remember some guy named Joe used to put together some pretty good teams with predominantly 3 star, red shirt seniors.
 
marylovesthelions said:
Indiana only has EIGHT 4 and 5 star athletes. Oregon has about 45.
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Mary, I honestly don’t think that matters anymore with the portal set up the way it is. Development is the only thing that truly matters now. High school stars are still just projections. With the transfer portal, teams like Indiana are clearly prioritizing proven college production over what a player was rated at 17 years old.

Wow, how times have changed. Insane.
 
Pennstate_one said:
Mary, I honestly don’t think that matters anymore with the portal set up the way it is. Development is the only thing that truly matters now. High school stars are still just projections. With the transfer portal, teams like Indiana are clearly prioritizing proven college production over what a player was rated at 17 years old.

Wow, how times have changed. Insane.
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Yes it does matter. What Cignetti is doing is incredible, and an outlier. All the other teams in the playoffs were from traditional powerhouse recruiters of 4 and 5 star talent. I looked up most of the players brought in from the portal to Indiana and they were not some kind of proven talent, except a couple like mendoza.
It appears Matt is remaking Penn State with larger players across both sides of the ball. hopefully they are not big slow guy's, and he is good at finding the diamonds in the ruff like Cignetti is doing.

Mendoza's QB play is what is separating them in the playoffs. You can't stop a perfectly thrown pass, and he is on fire. We will see if he can do it against Miami's pass rush.
 
Pennstate_one said:
Mary, I honestly don’t think that matters anymore with the portal set up the way it is. Development is the only thing that truly matters now. High school stars are still just projections. With the transfer portal, teams like Indiana are clearly prioritizing proven college production over what a player was rated at 17 years old.

Wow, how times have changed. Insane.
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I was there for Joe's 1st year. I knew several players. Joe and all of his staff were great teachers of the game, as was Rip Engel. Early in his 2nd year, he replaced half his starters after a terrible start. They became the base of 2 undefeated seasons. If Franklin seemed to have a flaw it is that many kids never got better under certain coaches like Hagens and both recent coordinators.
 
marylovesthelions said:
I was there for Joe's 1st year. I knew several players. Joe and all of his staff were great teachers of the game, as was Rip Engel. Early in his 2nd year, he replaced half his starters after a terrible start. They became the base of 2 undefeated seasons. If Franklin seemed to have a flaw it is that many kids never got better under certain coaches like Hagens and both recent coordinators.
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One of the great elements to the game is the intersection between art and science. From what I understand, CJF had the team do round up around the science they cut out the art. They thought too much, didn’t react, froze, didn’t have fun. Indiana has had no shits to give. No downside. Having a blast. Bill Murray would call them the fetched refuse
 
Sheriff Coffee said:
One of the great elements to the game is the intersection between art and science. From what I understand, CJF had the team do round up around the science they cut out the art. They thought too much, didn’t react, froze, didn’t have fun. Indiana has had no shits to give. No downside. Having a blast. Bill Murray would call them the fetched refuse
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CMC, Cignetti, Saban all grew up in the no BS, blue collar football part of the world. Coaches who have you driving sleds, running hills, and who love the infamous Oklahoma Drill.
 
Sheriff Coffee said:
One of the great elements to the game is the intersection between art and science. From what I understand, CJF had the team do round up around the science they cut out the art. They thought too much, didn’t react, froze, didn’t have fun. Indiana has had no shits to give. No downside. Having a blast. Bill Murray would call them the fetched refuse
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I heard the word repetition from IU players last night. Practice is the best teacher.
 
marylovesthelions said:
I heard the word repetition from IU players last night. Practice is the best teacher.
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In the book "The Best Game Ever", the story of the 1958 NFL championship game, John Unitas and Raymond Berry would stay on the field for an hour after each team practice to perfect things on their own. And then there's the Ben Hogan hitting golf balls until his hands bled. And Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 hrs Beatles story drives this home, as well. Repetition makes perfect.
 
Indiana seems very disciplined, and they pay attention to detail. That's good tough coaching. No nonsense serious business. Cignetti drives that. Some may not like the look but his way works.
 
Gitzit said:
Yes it does matter. What Cignetti is doing is incredible, and an outlier. All the other teams in the playoffs were from traditional powerhouse recruiters of 4 and 5 star talent. I looked up most of the players brought in from the portal to Indiana and they were not some kind of proven talent, except a couple like mendoza.
It appears Matt is remaking Penn State with larger players across both sides of the ball. hopefully they are not big slow guy's, and he is good at finding the diamonds in the ruff like Cignetti is doing.

Mendoza's QB play is what is separating them in the playoffs. You can't stop a perfectly thrown pass, and he is on fire. We will see if he can do it against Miami's pass rush.
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I don’t disagree that Indiana is an outlier right now, and Mendoza has absolutely elevated them. Elite QB play always matters. My point is more about the direction of the sport than Indiana specifically.

The portal is creating a second path to contention that didn’t exist before. Proven college production, physical maturity, and reps against real competition can now matter as much as what a kid was rated at 17. Indiana is just the first program to fully lean into that model and prove it can work.
 
marylovesthelions said:
I was there for Joe's 1st year. I knew several players. Joe and all of his staff were great teachers of the game, as was Rip Engel. Early in his 2nd year, he replaced half his starters after a terrible start. They became the base of 2 undefeated seasons. If Franklin seemed to have a flaw it is that many kids never got better under certain coaches like Hagens and both recent coordinators.
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The portal just amplifies that philosophy now. If you can develop, evaluate, and teach, you can win in multiple ways.
 
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