Miami in, ND out

Leatherhelmets said:
I'm happy to see ND out. Miami should have been ranked ahead of them before this. But what's the reasoning for the flip after neither team played this weekend? Seems it's to get an ACC team in.
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The committee had ND ranked ahead of Miami for the last 5 weeks. Then, today they flipped to put the canes into the playoffs over the Irish. I don’t disagree with putting Miami in over ND because of the head-to-head win with their records being identical, but definitely a point to scrutinize the committee. Although, having 12 teams instead of 4 is leaps above the 4 team BCS system there’s still plenty of room to eliminate the favoritism/political component of the current playoff situation.
 
The best thing that they have done in years is keep ND out. Not only did they play a weak schedule and lost to the only 2 challenging teams that they faced, they get to sit home and watch top conference teams battle it out for their spots. So yes, I say exclude ND unless they are undefeated if they want to play by a different set of rules. Whether they chose to join a conference or get shut out into obscurity is up to them. But the playoff money is getting split by the conferences, not by some team that refuses to play by the same rules and wants to keep a full share of the BCS money.
 
LudicrousSpeedGO! said:
The best thing that they have done in years is keep ND out. Not only did they play a weak schedule and lost to the only 2 challenging teams that they faced, they get to sit home and watch top conference teams battle it out for their spots. So yes, I say exclude ND unless they are undefeated if they want to play by a different set of rules. Whether they chose to join a conference or get shut out into obscurity is up to them. But the playoff money is getting split by the conferences, not by some team that refuses to play by the same rules and wants to keep a full share of the BCS money.
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I agree. Notre Dame wants to be special and today they are extra special 🤣. I think this will keep happening to them. The conferences are going to do everything they can to keep the money
 
Yeah, I know there will be no tears shed for the Irish but let's not pretend that the committee's final ranking with respect to Alabama, Notre Dame, and Miami was anything other than pure politics. There was no science...much less intellectual integrity...to it.

They were afraid to stiff sacred Alabama and the mighty SEC even though Alabama has 3 losses and has not looked terribly good over the last four games of the season before getting dominated by Georgia in the CCG.

They were afraid to stiff the entire ACC after 5-loss Duke took down Virginia in that league's CCG, threatening to leave the conference without a single participant in the playoff while teams like JMU and Tulane got a ticket to the dance.

Therefore, Notre Dame, which is playing arguably the best college football in the country now and only a few weeks ago was ranked 8 CFP spots ahead of Miami while never once being ranked behind Miami until today's final list came out, got the shaft.

So now fans won't get to see a Notre Dame-Oklahoma matchup in Norman and after that a potential Notre Dame-Indiana game. Either one of those might have been a classic.

The head-to-head argument is pure bullshite. Funny thing about head-to-head. The media blatherers haul that factor out when it suits them and fits their preferred narrative. Other times they'll solemnly look into the camera and tell us why it really doesn't matter. Remember 2016 when our head-to-head win over Ohio State suddenly counted for nothing?

If Notre Dame's 3-point loss to Miami in Miami's home stadium early in the year were such a decisive factor, then why did it take the committee 5 full weeks to figure that out? Why was Notre Dame ranked ahead of Miami as recently as last Tuesday? What happened between then and now to change the equation?

Here's the thing. I just don't like to have my intelligence insulted. Don't look me in the eye and tell me stuff that makes no sense because that suggests to me that you think I'm dumb enough to believe it.

OK, I get the people rubbing their hands in glee over Notre Dame getting screwed but as the fan of a team that's been screwed so many times over the last many decades, the only time I'm gonna rub my hands in glee is when either Ohio State or Michigan or the SEC gets screwed over. And guess what...that ain't never gonna happen...and we all know why...
 
Jerry said:
Yeah, I know there will be no tears shed for the Irish but let's not pretend that the committee's final ranking with respect to Alabama, Notre Dame, and Miami was anything other than pure politics. There was no science...much less intellectual integrity...to it.

They were afraid to stiff sacred Alabama and the mighty SEC even though Alabama has 3 losses and has not looked terribly good over the last four games of the season before getting dominated by Georgia in the CCG.

They were afraid to stiff the entire ACC after 5-loss Duke took down Virginia in that league's CCG, threatening to leave the conference without a single participant in the playoff while teams like JMU and Tulane got a ticket to the dance.

Therefore, Notre Dame, which is playing arguably the best college football in the country now and only a few weeks ago was ranked 8 CFP spots ahead of Miami while never once being ranked behind Miami until today's final list came out, got the shaft.

So now fans won't get to see a Notre Dame-Oklahoma matchup in Norman and after that a potential Notre Dame-Indiana game. Either one of those might have been a classic.

The head-to-head argument is pure bullshite. Funny thing about head-to-head. The media blatherers haul that factor out when it suits them and fits their preferred narrative. Other times they'll solemnly look into the camera and tell us why it really doesn't matter. Remember 2016 when our head-to-head win over Ohio State suddenly counted for nothing?

If Notre Dame's 3-point loss to Miami in Miami's home stadium early in the year were such a decisive factor, then why did it take the committee 5 full weeks to figure that out? Why was Notre Dame ranked ahead of Miami as recently as last Tuesday? What happened between then and now to change the equation?

Here's the thing. I just don't like to have my intelligence insulted. Don't look me in the eye and tell me stuff that makes no sense because that suggests to me that you think I'm dumb enough to believe it.

OK, I get the people rubbing their hands in glee over Notre Dame getting screwed but as the fan of a team that's been screwed so many times over the last many decades, the only time I'm gonna rub my hands in glee is when either Ohio State or Michigan or the SEC gets screwed over. And guess what...that ain't never gonna happen...and we all know why...
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Absolutely it was political. The conferences are going to do everything they can to get conferences teams in. It is all about the dollars.

I agree with almost everything you say, and i have felt the pain and frustration of PSU getting screwed over and over. Where we disagree is that I think head to head should be the tie breaker. However, if this is what the committee based it on, Miami should have been rated higher than Notre Dame the whole time.
 
Jerry said:
Yeah, I know there will be no tears shed for the Irish but let's not pretend that the committee's final ranking with respect to Alabama, Notre Dame, and Miami was anything other than pure politics. There was no science...much less intellectual integrity...to it.

They were afraid to stiff sacred Alabama and the mighty SEC even though Alabama has 3 losses and has not looked terribly good over the last four games of the season before getting dominated by Georgia in the CCG.

They were afraid to stiff the entire ACC after 5-loss Duke took down Virginia in that league's CCG, threatening to leave the conference without a single participant in the playoff while teams like JMU and Tulane got a ticket to the dance.

Therefore, Notre Dame, which is playing arguably the best college football in the country now and only a few weeks ago was ranked 8 CFP spots ahead of Miami while never once being ranked behind Miami until today's final list came out, got the shaft.

So now fans won't get to see a Notre Dame-Oklahoma matchup in Norman and after that a potential Notre Dame-Indiana game. Either one of those might have been a classic.

The head-to-head argument is pure bullshite. Funny thing about head-to-head. The media blatherers haul that factor out when it suits them and fits their preferred narrative. Other times they'll solemnly look into the camera and tell us why it really doesn't matter. Remember 2016 when our head-to-head win over Ohio State suddenly counted for nothing?

If Notre Dame's 3-point loss to Miami in Miami's home stadium early in the year were such a decisive factor, then why did it take the committee 5 full weeks to figure that out? Why was Notre Dame ranked ahead of Miami as recently as last Tuesday? What happened between then and now to change the equation?

Here's the thing. I just don't like to have my intelligence insulted. Don't look me in the eye and tell me stuff that makes no sense because that suggests to me that you think I'm dumb enough to believe it.

OK, I get the people rubbing their hands in glee over Notre Dame getting screwed but as the fan of a team that's been screwed so many times over the last many decades, the only time I'm gonna rub my hands in glee is when either Ohio State or Michigan or the SEC gets screwed over. And guess what...that ain't never gonna happen...and we all know why...
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Respectfully Jerry, in the levels of CFB, I consider ND in the same category as OSU, Mich, and the SEC
 
NittanyLion99 said:
Respectfully Jerry, in the levels of CFB, I consider ND in the same category as OSU, Mich, and the SEC
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For me, no, and in the interests of full disclosure, I've copped to this here...or well at least at the old site...in the past.

I grew up in a different world and a totally different era of college football. My Dad was a Penn State grad and total fanatic about Penn State. So that's the oxygen I inhaled as a kid and it became part of me to this day.

On the other hand, I also grew up in an Irish Catholic household in a small NEPA town that was largely Irish Catholic...or some other ethnic variant of Catholicism.

And in those days the Notre Dame games against southern teams...and especially Alabama...but a bit later extending to Miami were not just games; they were religious wars. I mean, you could cut the anti-Catholic bigotry with a knife when you traveled south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Therefore, for about 25 years, Notre Dame was my "second" team. Rooted hard against them when they played Penn State but was always a fan of theirs otherwise.

When Notre Dame abandoned Catholicism in the 1990s, I abandoned Notre Dame. But there's still a part of me that roots for them nevertheless. I guess you could say it's reflexive.

The popular thinking is that Notre Dame gets all the breaks. I think that was true for a long time but over the last 30 years: not so much. This latest CFP thing is only the latest indication of the reality, which is that an awful lot of people, to include media, hate Notre Dame.

So here I am years and years later, a fan of Penn State, which sets the all-time record in getting screwed over...and here's Notre Dame, which I don't much follow anymore, getting screwed over...and it sort of hits a nerve.

In any case, I gag at the media's Talking Heads presuming to gaslight me into believing something that makes no sense whatsoever. This year's committee chose Miami and Alabama over Notre Dame for reasons of politics...and nothing more.
 
Good. I think you should have to be in a conference to even be considered. And honestly, those smaller schools should have their own playoff. Who do they even play? This isn’t basketball. Cut the playoff to 8 teams and you won’t get all these pointless first-round blowouts.
 
TheNewBoss said:
After "snub" ND refuses to play in a bowl game this bowl season.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...e-bowl-game-opt-out-college-football-playoff/
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I absolutely love this. College football should leave them out of the bowls every year if they don't want to play by the same rules as other teams. Join a conference or get none of the money of big-time college football and play and entire schedule of the service academies and other non-power 4 teams. Into obscurity you go.
 
Pennstate_one said:
Good. I think you should have to be in a conference to even be considered. And honestly, those smaller schools should have their own playoff. Who do they even play? This isn’t basketball. Cut the playoff to 8 teams and you won’t get all these pointless first-round blowouts.
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I keep thinking that sooner than later the BIG and SEC are going to form their own league. Playing the smaller schools is just giving away money. I am thinking it will be much more like the NFL. The divisions in the NFL are not all equal in the quality of the teams, but it is never an issue because the teams play their way into the playoffs. The schedule will rotate in some fashion like NFL schedules do. One loss does not eliminate a team, but, at the same time, each loss works against a team getting into the playoffs.

Notre Dame will then either join or be out in the cold. I know Notre Dame thinks college football needs them more than they need college football, but if this new league comes about, they will very quickly see how untrue that is.
 
Jerry said:
For me, no, and in the interests of full disclosure, I've copped to this here...or well at least at the old site...in the past.

I grew up in a different world and a totally different era of college football. My Dad was a Penn State grad and total fanatic about Penn State. So that's the oxygen I inhaled as a kid and it became part of me to this day.

On the other hand, I also grew up in an Irish Catholic household in a small NEPA town that was largely Irish Catholic...or some other ethnic variant of Catholicism.

And in those days the Notre Dame games against southern teams...and especially Alabama...but a bit later extending to Miami were not just games; they were religious wars. I mean, you could cut the anti-Catholic bigotry with a knife when you traveled south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Therefore, for about 25 years, Notre Dame was my "second" team. Rooted hard against them when they played Penn State but was always a fan of theirs otherwise.

When Notre Dame abandoned Catholicism in the 1990s, I abandoned Notre Dame. But there's still a part of me that roots for them nevertheless. I guess you could say it's reflexive.

The popular thinking is that Notre Dame gets all the breaks. I think that was true for a long time but over the last 30 years: not so much. This latest CFP thing is only the latest indication of the reality, which is that an awful lot of people, to include media, hate Notre Dame.

So here I am years and years later, a fan of Penn State, which sets the all-time record in getting screwed over...and here's Notre Dame, which I don't much follow anymore, getting screwed over...and it sort of hits a nerve.

In any case, I gag at the media's Talking Heads presuming to gaslight me into believing something that makes no sense whatsoever. This year's committee chose Miami and Alabama over Notre Dame for reasons of politics...and nothing more.
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The money and the schedule is why ND needs to be banned from the playoff for good unless they join a conference. They play a $hit schedule. They still lose 2 games and expect to be handed a FULL SHARE of the college football playoff money? Is this a yearly expectation for them? Show up and get handed money that the conferences just willingly give up. Join a conference. Play by the same rules. Or get banished to college football obscurity. You get nothing special for pretending to be a Catholic school. Play by the same rules or get relegated to an afterthought. I'm glad that they aren't in any bowl this year. Get used to it ND. That is your future unless you play by the same rules. You aren't special.
 
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