NittanyLion99
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This is insane if true. For everything JF did well, actual football coaching, which is THE core part of the NFL, was not his forte.
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LoL.... nothing would surprise me with the Rooney goofballs.
Get a football guy who commands respect. Steelers fans would see right through Franklin. And it would help to get a competent GM, and not just someone who's worked his way up from the mail room.
Maybe this was created and leaked by Franklin in his quest for a contract extension at VT.
Maybe this was created and leaked by Franklin in his quest for a contract extension at VT.
Sheriff Coffee
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I'd be shocked if there is anything to this. Feels like clickbait.
On a related note, several outlets stating that Aaron Rogers called Tomlin and apologized to him while fighting through tears.
On a related note, several outlets stating that Aaron Rogers called Tomlin and apologized to him while fighting through tears.
NittanyLion99
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Based on his tenure at PSU, that is the most logical scenario
The Spin Meister
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Good riddance.
LionDeNittany
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Sheriff Coffee
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I don't understand the hate. Dude won a SB and has a great track record of his tenure. He's a sure fire HOFer. In the end, the Steelers just couldn't develop a QB and it isn't like their cast off QBs were any good someplace else. Their drafting, which had been the best in the league, sucked the last six years. I don't know of any real transgressions he's had.
When I look at coaches, I put him a notch below Harbaugh (ravens), Payton (broncos who was suspended previously), and Vrable (who was recently fired).
NittanyLion99
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Iggles fan here, so no stake in this decision, but from the outside, I don't understand the totally charitable view of Tomlin.
The end of Cowher's tenure was a Superbowl in Ben Roethlisberer's 2nd year(2005) and then an 8-8 season in 2006. Tomlin came in for 2007. He won a SB in 2008 (Ben in his 5th year) and lost the SB in 2010. It certainly seemed like Tomlin was a fantastic coach and great replacement for Cowher, but perhaps it was largely him captaining the ship Cowher built with an ascending QB in his prime.
The first 4 years of Tomline were great, but the last 15 (2011-2025), the Steelers have not really done much. They have had some seasons with very good records, but have had little playoff success, aside from 1 AFC championship appearance in 2016
How much of this is Tomlin's fault vs the GM or ownership? IDK, but the last 15 years have not produced much success. They have just a 3-10 record in 10 playoff appearances.
EDIT: As I think about it, is Tomlin similar to JF? 2nd tier with a ceiling? The difference, of course, being that Tomlin inherited a very good team with a young, future HOF QB and JF inherited a team crippled by sanctions.
The goodwill of a storied football franchise has been squandered. This is hard to fix in smaller markets, and especially concerning when cult-level fan loyalty is at risk. Meanwhile, Boston teams always seem to find a way to either have championship caliber teams or have a plan to correct things. When the Celtics, Red Sox, Bruins, and Patriots slump, it's not for very long periods. Chicago and New York, except for the Yankees, don't have it as good.
BTW, here's a great Steelers bar in Cave Creek AZ. It's large and is packed on game day.
Steelers Club - Harold's Cave Creek Corral
Here we go, steelers Harold’s Corral is the official Heinz Field West! One of the biggest Pittsburgh Steelers bar in the Nation! At Harold’s Corral in Cave Creek, Arizona, cowboy boots hang from the rafters while over 800 fans pack the house every single game day. And when the Steelers
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Sheriff Coffee
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I can't stand west coast teams when you start to count the championships...
SFO between golden state, 49ers, Giants
LA between Dodgers and Lakers
NY due to the Yankees
Boston due to the Red Sox, Patriots and Celtics
I also don't like TX teams due to the Cowboys and Astros
Leaves a huge hole between Pittsburgh and Arizona. Pittsburgh, for the most part, is the exception with the Steelers, Pens and heyday Pirates
NittanyLion99
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The goodwill of a storied football franchise has been squandered. This is hard to fix in smaller markets, and especially concerning when cult-level fan loyalty is at risk. Meanwhile, Boston teams always seem to find a way to either have championship caliber teams or have a plan to correct things. When the Celtics, Red Sox, Bruins, and Patriots slump, it's not for very long periods. Chicago and New York, except for the Yankees, don't have it as good.
BTW, here's a great Steelers bar in Cave Creek AZ. It's large and is packed on game day.
Steelers Club - Harold's Cave Creek Corral
Here we go, steelers Harold’s Corral is the official Heinz Field West! One of the biggest Pittsburgh Steelers bar in the Nation! At Harold’s Corral in Cave Creek, Arizona, cowboy boots hang from the rafters while over 800 fans pack the house every single game day. And when the Steelers
Respectfully, I think that's a charitable assessment of Boston.
The Pats weren't great for a long time. I seem to remember a SB loss in 85 to the Bears and not much else until Brady. Kraft bought the team in '94 and ownership matters. As for their resurgence this year, Drake Maye seems like a winner, which was not universally expected when he was drafted.
The Redsox were long "cursed" until they weren't in the mid 2000s or so. Six of the last 7 years have not been great.
The Bruins I can't really speak on.
As for the Celtics, without researching it, I seem to remember a long slump after the glory years of Bird and company
For discussion sake, there were some "dynasties" and few droughts by all teams at the same time, for the most part. In Philadelphia, in contrast, there was the 1960 Eagles followed by the many Tose/Braman years. Nothing for the Fyers since the mid-70s. The Sixers, 1983. And the Phils winning once after that unfortunate 1883 to 1980 slump
. The Lakers-Dodgers-Kings-Rams may be a better example of across the board success than the Boston teams.Anyway, the Steelers have a reputation to salvage and it can't afford to have any cheapskate or non-football factors to affect its decisions at this point.
NittanyLion99
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For discussion sake, there were some "dynasties" and few droughts by all teams at the same time, for the most part. In Philadelphia, in contrast, there was the 1960 Eagles followed by the many Tose/Braman years. Nothing for the Fyers since the mid-70s. The Sixers, 1983. And the Phils winning once after that unfortunate 1883 to 1980 slump
Anyway, the Steelers have a reputation to salvage and it can't afford to have any cheapskate or non-football factors to affect its decisions at this point.
You've never heard me claim anything WRT Philly sports. I was a long-suffering philly fan, born in 76.
Flyers were a good organization when I was young, but never got on the hump. They've been a bad organization of late since Ed Snider declined and then Comcast fully took over.
Phillies were generally awful with a anomaly of '93 with the motley bunch of Kruk, Daulton, Dykstra, etc. They've been one of the best orgs since Bill Giles sold them
Eagles were terrible under Braman. Laurie is one of the best owners in Football and the Eagles have been one of the best franchises of the 2000s. 76ers - No comment
Bottom line, whether in Philly, Boston, or anywhere else, Ownership matters.
The Redskins were a successful franchise under Jack Kent Cook and then Daniel Snyder burned it down. Its amazing that within a few years of him selling, the team has returned to competence on the field.
GregInPitt
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In today's game with big passing plays almost always required for post season success a team has to have a top 10 in the league QB. Big Ben fell to them at the 11th pick and both Cowher and Tomlin benefited from having Ben who was a top 5 or 10 his whole tenure at Pittsburgh. Lots of competent and many great coaches have struck out trying to win Super Bowls without a top QB. Tomlin would have been better served if the Steelers had traded away their best players the year Ben retired and put together a couple of 4-13 seasons and gotten a great QB as well as a couple of other young stud playmakers on offense and defense. They could have stacked up draft choices by trading Watt and Heyward back then and would be a lot better off going forward now.
As it is they still may not be able to get a good QB this year as the pickings seem slim and with the 21st pick they don't have the draft capital to move up very far as the price is very steep
So I'd like to see then trade away Watt and Heyward now. Metcalf as well and anyone else with 4 or more years in the league that has value, and take some young players to develop in this year's draft. And just tank next season playing the young players and get their franchise QB in the 2027 draft.
In hindsight the Steelers could have taken Jason Dart last year, and he looks like he could win a Super Bowl with the right team around him. So it seems the Steelers haven't been able to evaluate QB's in the draft competently enough to fill that void on the roster either. As Steelers fans we just have to hope they put together a plan to draft a player they believe will be their next 15 year starter and Super Bowl winning QB, and that that QB falls to where they are able to trade up to in order to get him. Lots of luck required to get that done unless they end up tanking to get one of the #1-3 overall picks in the next couple of years..........
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