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[NittanyLion99]

Does he win 1.5M or lose the 615K

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[LudicrousSpeedGO!]

Does he win 1.5M or lose the 615K

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I don't think Clemson is a legit threat. I don't see any ACC or B12 team potentially ever being a threat to win it all. They simply aren't on the same level as the Big 10 and SEC. The one thing in their favor is that they play a soft schedule that might allow them to keep guys fresher, but they just aren't going to see the same level of competition week in and week out.

 

[GregInPitt]

I don't think Clemson is a legit threat. I don't see any ACC or B12 team potentially ever being a threat to win it all. They simply aren't on the same level as the Big 10 and SEC. The one thing in their favor is that they play a soft schedule that might allow them to keep guys fresher, but they just aren't going to see the same level of competition week in and week out.

All reports point to Clemson being loaded this coming season. DL, QB, ...... And it doesnt' hurt that a legit ACC team has an easier road to a great regular season record and a high seed in the playoff.

 

[LudicrousSpeedGO!]

All reports point to Clemson being loaded this coming season. DL, QB, ...... And it doesnt' hurt that a legit ACC team has an easier road to a great regular season record and a high seed in the playoff.

Loaded relative to the ACC though. We'll see what they do should they face a few SEC/Big 10 teams consecutively in the playoff.

 

[GregInPitt]

Loaded relative to the ACC though. We'll see what they do should they face a few SEC/Big 10 teams consecutively in the playoff.

If you look through what Pro Football Focus has to say after they rated the top positional units for 2025 in college football you'll see they rate the Clemson DL as the #1 unit in college football and their secondary is rated #4. On offense their WR unit was rated as #3 in college football, their QB unit as #5 and also note that Klubnik is projected as the #1 overall pick in next years NFL draft by some. (Klubnik’s 80.8 PFF grade under pressure was also more than five points higher than any other quarterback in the country.) Their OL unit as #10, 1 spot ahead of PSU.

So overall PFF seems to rate their roster as at least as talented as PSU's.

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[Sherriff Coffee]

I read that sports gambling has been gutted if the new bill passes congress. Basically, the bill says that you can only deduct 90% of your gambling losses. So lets say you won $100,000 in a year but also lost $100,000. The bill states that you can deduct 90% of your losses or $90,000. So while you broke even, you'll have to pay income taxes on $10,000, which is going to be somewhere between $2,500 or $3,600. In fed, state on top of that.

 

[LudicrousSpeedGO!]

If you look through what Pro Football Focus has to say after they rated the top positional units for 2025 in college football you'll see they rate the Clemson DL as the #1 unit in college football and their secondary is rated #4. On offense their WR unit was rated as #3 in college football, their QB unit as #5 and also note that Klubnik is projected as the #1 overall pick in next years NFL draft by some. (Klubnik’s 80.8 PFF grade under pressure was also more than five points higher than any other quarterback in the country.) Their OL unit as #10, 1 spot ahead of PSU.

So overall PFF seems to rate their roster as at least as talented as PSU's.

The best units in college football: Ranking the top 10 teams at every position group

We've been diving into college football's most talented teams all offseason, and our position unit rankings are now complete.

www.pff.com

I am asking because I do not know this, but does PFF take into account the competition? If PFF only rated Allar on games played against ACC level talent then he'd likely be the #1 rated QB. A DL that looks like world beaters against most ACC teams might get pushed around by top SEC/Big10 talent.

 

[GregInPitt]

I am asking because I do not know this, but does PFF take into account the competition? If PFF only rated Allar on games played against ACC level talent then he'd likely be the #1 rated QB. A DL that looks like world beaters against most ACC teams might get pushed around by top SEC/Big10 talent.

Sounds like you are overly discounting the talent in the ACC. Sure, overall the ACC, especially the top teams, do not have the depth of talent that the SEC or B10 have. But there are competitive teams in the ACC beyond Clemson.

It would seem that PFF rates players on talent and level of play, maybe looking somewhat ahead to what each player may end up being rated as NFL talent as well. But their rating numbers, by game and over a season, are based upon making plays at their position. Regarding Allar, I've seen him as projected to be going in the low end of the first round where as the Clemson QB Klubnick is projected as the #1 overall pick. So who would you want at QB for your team late in the 4th quarter with the game on the line, Allar or Klubnick? NFL evaluators and PFF as well would want Klubnick and I agree with them based upon what Allar has done against good teams with the game on the line, throwing abysmal picks against Oregon and ND when he had the chance to shine at crunch time.

Lots of B10 teams would get pushed around by Clemson as well.

 

[Frank Lee]

Sounds like you are overly discounting the talent in the ACC. Sure, overall the ACC, especially the top teams, do not have the depth of talent that the SEC or B10 have. But there are competitive teams in the ACC beyond Clemson.

It would seem that PFF rates players on talent and level of play, maybe looking somewhat ahead to what each player may end up being rated as NFL talent as well. But their rating numbers, by game and over a season, are based upon making plays at their position. Regarding Allar, I've seen him as projected to be going in the low end of the first round where as the Clemson QB Klubnick is projected as the #1 overall pick. So who would you want at QB for your team late in the 4th quarter with the game on the line, Allar or Klubnick? NFL evaluators and PFF as well would want Klubnick and I agree with them based upon what Allar has done against good teams with the game on the line, throwing abysmal picks against Oregon and ND when he had the chance to shine at crunch time.

Lots of B10 teams would get pushed around by Clemson as well.

Those INTs in just the USC, UO, and ND games, including those called back in the ND game, were head-scratchers. That's why Coach K needs to add more outlet passes into the mix. But it's still up to Allar to show better poise and decision-making.

 

[Lazy Dave]

I could be wrong, but I think PFF just rates every snap. They don't account for teams being P4, they don't account for did an OL have help on a block or was he 1v1, etc. I believe it's strictly a win or loss on every snap based on what you do.

They do break down run vs pass, but I don't know of any weight being given to "plays vs SEC, Big 10" vs "Big 12, ACC" or the like.

Prime example, I believe this is from a Tengwall breakdown. Rucci ended up grading better than Donkoh on pass protection, but PFF doesn't take into account that we used a lot more TE help when Rucci was in vs Donkoh.

Like all data, it's a tool and finding the best context for it matters.

 

[NittanyLion99]

I read that sports gambling has been gutted if the new bill passes congress. Basically, the bill says that you can only deduct 90% of your gambling losses. So lets say you won $100,000 in a year but also lost $100,000. The bill states that you can deduct 90% of your losses or $90,000. So while you broke even, you'll have to pay income taxes on $10,000, which is going to be somewhere between $2,500 or $3,600. In fed, state on top of that.

I'm not a tax accountant, but in the scenario you list, I'm pretty sure the gambling losses for the year are zero

 

[Sherriff Coffee]

I'm not a tax accountant, but in the scenario you list, I'm pretty sure the gambling losses for the year are zero

Perhaps I didn't do a great job explaining it. And, of course, the bill is still not passed so....

At the heart of it, losses can only be claimed against winnings at 90%. So the challenge is that if you win $100k and lose $100k, you can only deduct 90% of your $100k loss against your $100k win. In other words, your out-of-pocket experience is that you've broken even. But when you can only deduct $90k from your $100k win, and have to claim a $10,000 net income for taxation purposes. So after taxes, you end up having a loss on what you have to pay on income taxes on that $10k. So if you are in a 35% tax bracket, while you broke even in gambling, you ended up having a $3500 loss after taxes.

 

[Bison13]

One of my former students is a starter at Clemson. They have a really good roster and I would expect them to be in at least the quarterfinals when all is done. They had a few hiccups at the end of the year where they’re supposed number one pick quarterback didn’t play that well (where have we seen that before) or the line let them down, but my guy said that almost everybody stuck around to work and they’ve had really good spring and now into summer workouts.

I personally didn’t think he was good enough to play at Clemson when he was being recruited out of high school and he struggled his first two years, but he and the school have worked to get him to a point where he’s going to be drafted next April.

 

[Jerry]

If you look through what Pro Football Focus has to say after they rated the top positional units for 2025 in college football you'll see they rate the Clemson DL as the #1 unit in college football and their secondary is rated #4. On offense their WR unit was rated as #3 in college football, their QB unit as #5 and also note that Klubnik is projected as the #1 overall pick in next years NFL draft by some. (Klubnik’s 80.8 PFF grade under pressure was also more than five points higher than any other quarterback in the country.) Their OL unit as #10, 1 spot ahead of PSU.

So overall PFF seems to rate their roster as at least as talented as PSU's.

The best units in college football: Ranking the top 10 teams at every position group

We've been diving into college football's most talented teams all offseason, and our position unit rankings are now complete.

www.pff.com

Every preseason report I've read says Clemson is loaded going into 2025.

Plus I know that Dabo Swinney is not everybody's cup of tea, but I think he's an ace coach.

The August 30 opener at home against also loaded LSU is huge. They're slight favorites because of home-field, but after that, I can't see where they'll be seriously challenged by any other team on their schedule. Maybe South Carolina at the end. They don't play either Miami or Notre Dame this year.

All in all, it seems like they're a cinch to at minimum make the playoff.

 

[Sherriff Coffee]

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