Anyone else surprised that Nick was drafted before Kaytron?

LudicrousSpeedGO!

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I'd say 90% or better of PSU fans believe that Kaytron is the better back. Are measureables really worth that much more than production? Nick definitely has the size and speed and weight room numbers but can he improve his vision, his cutting, his inability to get taken down by a hand on the ankle? Kaytron doesn't have the speed but he has the vision, cutting ability, and he breaks tackles. Is this just an error of the NFL scouting process or should Nick have gone ahead of Kaytron?
 
Historically low number of running backs drafted through the first three rounds anyways. I think Washington got themselves a great value with Katron. The NFL loves their measurables. Nick has those over Katron.
Through two days and three rounds of this draft, there was a historically low number of running backs selected. Notre Dame's Jeremiah Love (No. 3) and Jadarian Price (No. 32), and Indiana's Kaelon Black (No. 90) were the only three selected, marking the lowest number at that point in any draft since at least the 1966 NFL merger, according to Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer.
 
I'd say 90% or better of PSU fans believe that Kaytron is the better back. Are measureables really worth that much more than production? Nick definitely has the size and speed and weight room numbers but can he improve his vision, his cutting, his inability to get taken down by a hand on the ankle? Kaytron doesn't have the speed but he has the vision, cutting ability, and he breaks tackles. Is this just an error of the NFL scouting process or should Nick have gone ahead of Kaytron?
Speed difference, although Nicks best chance is to be moved to a slot receiver.
 
When Kaytron was drafted the announcers said they don’t have a 40 time on him.

If his number is that bad that he had to hide it …..

They showed s couple long runs where he showed good speed but the problem is it takes him a long time to get to speed. They want guys that are at full speed in three steps or less.
 
There have been quite a few very successful NFL RB's that didn't have outstanding 40 yd dash times. Katron has very good vision, makes very good cuts to holes and optimizes available yards on his runs, breakes tackles, and falls forward on his runs.

I would take the over for Katron in comparison to how his and Singleton's NFL careers end up as far as runs from scrimmage yardage gotten. Singleton may get ahead on total yards if he proves to be a very good KO return guy, but that isn't a given with the new NFL KO rules which seem to favor smaller, quicker in space returners more like punt returners, and not the straight ahead, traditional, one cut style that Singleton seemed to do well with.

The Steelers took the returner from Iowa in the recent draft whose only NFL skill set seems to be as a returner realizing that good RB's don't seem to excel as returners as often with the new KO rules.

Will be interesting to follow Singleton and Allen's NFL careers, for as long as they last.....
 
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There have been quite a few very successful NFL RB's that didn't have outstanding 40 yd dash times. Katron has very good vision, makes very good cuts to holes and optimizes available yards on his runs, breakes tackles, and falls forward on his runs.

I would take the over for Katron in comparison to how his and Singleton's NFL careers end up as far as runs from scrimmage yardage go. Singleton may get ahead on total yards if he proves to be a very good KO return guy, but that isn't a given with the new NFL KO rules which seem to favor smaller, quicker in space returners more like punt returners, and not the straight ahead, traditional, one cut style that Singleton seemed to do well with.

The Steelers took the returner from Iowa in the recent draft whose only NFL skill set seems to be as a returner realizing that good RB's don't seem to excel as returners as often with the new KO rules.

Will be interesting to follow Singleton and Allen's NFL careers, for as long as they last.....
Barry Sanders was too slow. He is probably the best back of all time.
Jerry Rice was too slow. He still holds the all-time receiving record decades later.
 
Hey, I was just explaining why he went so late . I have long complained that the NFL puts too much emphasis on goofy numbers.

What good is a standing long jump? Does the 40 of an offensive lineman really matter?

I expect Allen to have a good NFL career. Maybe great. He has everything except great acceleration. Great vision. Intelligent. Lateral movement. Power. Balance. Quick feet. Stamina. Work ethics. Even good top speed.

Should have gone higher. 3rd or 4th.
 
When Kaytron was drafted the announcers said they don’t have a 40 time on him.

If his number is that bad that he had to hide it …..

They showed s couple long runs where he showed good speed but the problem is it takes him a long time to get to speed. They want guys that are at full speed in three steps or less.
If a team needs someone who can run with vision and power between the tackles, Katron is the man.
 
Of the 13 running backs drafted last week, Allen ranked second with 57 missed tackles forced. What's more, he was one of the best at picking up yards after contact. He ranked second behind in the category behind only Jeremiyah Love amond drafted running backs and averaged 3.77 yards per attempt after contact.
The best part is that Allen knows how to take care of the ball through all that contact. Over the last two seasons, during which he had 430 carries, Allen only fumbled the ball twice. It's an area of Allen's skill set that he takes "great pride in."
"You got everybody's dreams and aspirations in your hands," Allen said. "So, I take great pride in it, and that's something I won't do. I take pride in not doing turnovers and stuff. That's not who I am. And [the] football, I take great care of because I love football and I don't want nobody else taking my dream aspiration in a way."

“Allen was not viewed as a speedster during the draft process. He didn't record a 40 time at the combine, but anyone watching his film from the last four seasons would see that it isn't a big part of his skill set.
Instead, Allen is more of a patient runner, and more times than not, that patience tends to pay off for him.
Teams were certainly aware of Allen's style, as 27% of his carries -- the most in the class -- came against heavy boxes. However, he still managed to average 4.8 yards per carry in those situations, and only 11% of his runs failed to gain yardage. But there's more; Allen tied for seventh in his class last year with 30 runs of 10-plus yards. Georgia's Mike Washington Jr., who was drafted two rounds earlier, shared that number, and he did so with a 4.33 40 time.
And Allen has found ways to create explosive plays without possessing top-tier speed. He and Washington tied for fourth in the class in designed rushing attempts of 15-plus yards. Allen ranked second behind Love among drafted running backs in breakaway yards, and he picked up 70 first downs from rushing attempts -- the second-best in the class.
So, no, Allen doesn't fit the modern mold of a speedy running back, but he does find ways to put up similar numbers and even surpass them.”

 
Of the 13 running backs drafted last week, Allen ranked second with 57 missed tackles forced. What's more, he was one of the best at picking up yards after contact. He ranked second behind in the category behind only Jeremiyah Love amond drafted running backs and averaged 3.77 yards per attempt after contact.
The best part is that Allen knows how to take care of the ball through all that contact. Over the last two seasons, during which he had 430 carries, Allen only fumbled the ball twice. It's an area of Allen's skill set that he takes "great pride in."
"You got everybody's dreams and aspirations in your hands," Allen said. "So, I take great pride in it, and that's something I won't do. I take pride in not doing turnovers and stuff. That's not who I am. And [the] football, I take great care of because I love football and I don't want nobody else taking my dream aspiration in a way."

“Allen was not viewed as a speedster during the draft process. He didn't record a 40 time at the combine, but anyone watching his film from the last four seasons would see that it isn't a big part of his skill set.
Instead, Allen is more of a patient runner, and more times than not, that patience tends to pay off for him.
Teams were certainly aware of Allen's style, as 27% of his carries -- the most in the class -- came against heavy boxes. However, he still managed to average 4.8 yards per carry in those situations, and only 11% of his runs failed to gain yardage. But there's more; Allen tied for seventh in his class last year with 30 runs of 10-plus yards. Georgia's Mike Washington Jr., who was drafted two rounds earlier, shared that number, and he did so with a 4.33 40 time.
And Allen has found ways to create explosive plays without possessing top-tier speed. He and Washington tied for fourth in the class in designed rushing attempts of 15-plus yards. Allen ranked second behind Love among drafted running backs in breakaway yards, and he picked up 70 first downs from rushing attempts -- the second-best in the class.
So, no, Allen doesn't fit the modern mold of a speedy running back, but he does find ways to put up similar numbers and even surpass them.”

I like those metrics much more than a 40 time
 
Of the 13 running backs drafted last week, Allen ranked second with 57 missed tackles forced. What's more, he was one of the best at picking up yards after contact. He ranked second behind in the category behind only Jeremiyah Love amond drafted running backs and averaged 3.77 yards per attempt after contact.
The best part is that Allen knows how to take care of the ball through all that contact. Over the last two seasons, during which he had 430 carries, Allen only fumbled the ball twice. It's an area of Allen's skill set that he takes "great pride in."
"You got everybody's dreams and aspirations in your hands," Allen said. "So, I take great pride in it, and that's something I won't do. I take pride in not doing turnovers and stuff. That's not who I am. And [the] football, I take great care of because I love football and I don't want nobody else taking my dream aspiration in a way."

“Allen was not viewed as a speedster during the draft process. He didn't record a 40 time at the combine, but anyone watching his film from the last four seasons would see that it isn't a big part of his skill set.
Instead, Allen is more of a patient runner, and more times than not, that patience tends to pay off for him.
Teams were certainly aware of Allen's style, as 27% of his carries -- the most in the class -- came against heavy boxes. However, he still managed to average 4.8 yards per carry in those situations, and only 11% of his runs failed to gain yardage. But there's more; Allen tied for seventh in his class last year with 30 runs of 10-plus yards. Georgia's Mike Washington Jr., who was drafted two rounds earlier, shared that number, and he did so with a 4.33 40 time.
And Allen has found ways to create explosive plays without possessing top-tier speed. He and Washington tied for fourth in the class in designed rushing attempts of 15-plus yards. Allen ranked second behind Love among drafted running backs in breakaway yards, and he picked up 70 first downs from rushing attempts -- the second-best in the class.
So, no, Allen doesn't fit the modern mold of a speedy running back, but he does find ways to put up similar numbers and even surpass them.”

Great stuff. He has poor acceleration but decent top speed. Just takes five steps to get there.

He had several long runs after getting free. Looks like guys see him run slow on seversl runs then misjudge his speed in the open and take bad angles.
 
I'd say 90% or better of PSU fans believe that Kaytron is the better back. Are measureables really worth that much more than production? Nick definitely has the size and speed and weight room numbers but can he improve his vision, his cutting, his inability to get taken down by a hand on the ankle? Kaytron doesn't have the speed but he has the vision, cutting ability, and he breaks tackles. Is this just an error of the NFL scouting process or should Nick have gone ahead of Kaytron?

I'm not that surprised. Kaytron lacks home run speed which is given priority. If Kaytron gets to the 2nd level, he will not outrun anyone in an NFL secondary.
 
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