Grunkemeyer, what we are losing

jjw165 said:
It’s looking like Grunkemeyer is going to reunite with Franklin and O’Brien in Blacksburg. I’m assuming he is going to be the starter next year for the Hokies. I’m also assuming Pribula will not be going to Tech due to this development, but could be wrong. Either way, I wish him the best, but am not sure it’s the best decision for his future QB growth. With Franklin at the helm he may still be prone to overpaying some players as we experienced here at Penn State.
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"Ethan, Ethan, I always had trust in your ability and cared about your development. That's why I demanded you be put in for a few snaps."
 
jjw165 said:
It’s looking like Grunkemeyer is going to reunite with Franklin and O’Brien in Blacksburg. I’m assuming he is going to be the starter next year for the Hokies. I’m also assuming Pribula will not be going to Tech due to this development, but could be wrong. Either way, I wish him the best, but am not sure it’s the best decision for his future QB growth. With Franklin at the helm he may still be prone to overpaying some players as we experienced here at Penn State.
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For Ethan's sake, I hope Franklin has learned to leave the QBs alone. He gets into their heads and they decline over their time with him as they begin to overthink out there.
 
jjw165 said:
It’s looking like Grunkemeyer is going to reunite with Franklin and O’Brien in Blacksburg. I’m assuming he is going to be the starter next year for the Hokies. I’m also assuming Pribula will not be going to Tech due to this development, but could be wrong. Either way, I wish him the best, but am not sure it’s the best decision for his future QB growth. With Franklin at the helm he may still be prone to overpaying some players as we experienced here at Penn State.
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I understand Grunk going into the portal, but I am not so sure VT is a smart move.
 
sr108 said:
I understand Grunk going into the portal, but I am not so sure VT is a smart move.
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Yep but there are a lot of good QBs in the portal: Grunk, Beau, and the kid from Nebraska. What is interesting to me is how good Iowa St.s QB room was. They had a high four star true freshman and a highly regarded senior this year. We had Grunk, who is great, but after him had Smolik and a kid that attended 54 high schools and was a complete project as a true Frosh.

PSU’s biggest problem has always been developing QBs. Let’s hope that changes.
 
Gitzit said:
His stats are not good against weaker competition so how could he be?
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Well, does Becht have a big ten offensive line in front of him? Does he have Kaytron Allen to hand the ball off to? Does he have the defense (a little anomaly this year) to keep them in the game after turnovers? The answer is no, so you can't judge apples to oranges. Becht's a baller and at a minimum, will do NO worse than Grunk. That's fact.
 
Sheriff Coffee said:
Yep but there are a lot of good QBs in the portal: Grunk, Beau, and the kid from Nebraska. What is interesting to me is how good Iowa St.s QB room was. They had a high four star true freshman and a highly regarded senior this year. We had Grunk, who is great, but after him had Smolik and a kid that attended 54 high schools and was a complete project as a true Frosh.

PSU’s biggest problem has always been developing QBs. Let’s hope that changes.
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When you develop 3-star Brock Purdy and your 3-star 3 year starting QB has had success, it's a lot easier to recruit a high 4-star IMO. This staff has a track record of maximizing the QB development. That's why I felt Grunk was short-sighted. But maybe it wasn't Becht that ran him off. Maybe Grunk felt like true freshman Manske who was #55 overall on ON3 rankings at any position was the threat of preventing him from ever starting at PSU again. Either way, the QB room is looking so much better now. You have:

Becht who will be a 4th year proven starter
Manske who has 4 years of eligibility
Inbound freshman likely redshirting Falzone and Evans

This compares to:
Grunk with 7 games starting experience but lots of promise
Always injured Smolik
Total project Kritza
And backup QB/back WR Clifford who was the only other healthy "QB" on the roster that wasn't a walk on
 
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I think Grunkemeyer is really good, but not sure he is good enough to overcome Franklins penchant for handicapping his QB's. Oh well, good luck to Ethan.
 
PSU Blue said:
Well, does Becht have a big ten offensive line in front of him? Does he have Kaytron Allen to hand the ball off to? Does he have the defense (a little anomaly this year) to keep them in the game after turnovers? The answer is no, so you can't judge apples to oranges. Becht's a baller and at a minimum, will do NO worse than Grunk. That's fact.
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No, he didn't. And as many Cyclones coming here including the same RB I guess he still won't. We will just have to wait and see, it's going to be interesting.
 
sr108 said:
No one knows how the conversation between MC and Grunk went. MC seems to be a straight shooter so I assume that the best he could offer was a fair competition for the starting job. Grunks agent certainly advised him to test the market. I really see no villain in any of this.
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Totally agree: there are no "villains." Indeed, we don't know what Matt said or didn't say but it's hard to believe that he didn't at least offer assurances of a fair competition for the starting job.

That said, the reality is this creates an unfortunate situation where if things don't pan out with Rocco while Grunk goes down to Blacksburg and shines right out of the gate, Matt is going to be 2nd-guessed big-time.

That's just the nature of the beast. Everyone's in it for the money now. The players. The coaches. And they're doing very well for themselves, especially the coaches at a big-time program like Penn State.

The flip side of that equation is that when you screw up...or even when you make a reasonable decision that ends up not working out...you're going to come in for criticism and 2nd-guessing. This doesn't make you a villain except in the minds of idiots. It just makes you a guy who made the wrong call. (You want villains, look at Lane Kiffin who is now playing games with the Ole Miss assistant coaches who'll be joining him in Baton Rouge.)

Personally, I can't remember ever watching Rocco play a down but based on what I saw from Grunk over the last several games of this season, culminating in his sterling performance in the bowl, I'd have preferred him to be the presumptive starter next year. Just one fan's opinion...one fan who's hoping he's judged this wrongly.
 
Jerry said:
Totally agree: there are no "villains." Indeed, we don't know what Matt said or didn't say but it's hard to believe that he didn't at least offer assurances of a fair competition for the starting job.

That said, the reality is this creates an unfortunate situation where if things don't pan out with Rocco while Grunk goes down to Blacksburg and shines right out of the gate, Matt is going to be 2nd-guessed big-time.

That's just the nature of the beast. Everyone's in it for the money now. The players. The coaches. And they're doing very well for themselves, especially the coaches at a big-time program like Penn State.

The flip side of that equation is that when you screw up...or even when you make a reasonable decision that ends up not working out...you're going to come in for criticism and 2nd-guessing. This doesn't make you a villain except in the minds of idiots. It just makes you a guy who made the wrong call. (You want villains, look at Lane Kiffin who is now playing games with the Ole Miss assistant coaches who'll be joining him in Baton Rouge.)

Personally, I can't remember ever watching Rocco play a down but based on what I saw from Grunk over the last several games of this season, culminating in his sterling performance in the bowl, I'd have preferred him to be the presumptive starter next year. Just one fan's opinion...one fan who's hoping he's judged this wrongly.
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Rocco is a two/three year starter, knows the offense, it’s understandable and probably the best move. I do believe Grunk is going to be good, wish he stayed, and I’m not sure following Franklin is his best move. QBs tend to play like their coach coaches.
 
Nemo said:
I thought the story with Becht was he was injured and decided to play in college for one more year. He is getting paid over 3 million to do so I saw somewhere.

Allar would probably gone undrafted last year. It is hard to know if that was on him, the coaches, or some of both.

Franklin was never going to have a real competition so Beau left.

I hope one year of Becht is worth losing 2 or years of what Grunk could develop into
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Drew would have absolutely gotten drafted last year. Becht is a very good QB who played injured.
 
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