Franklin Fired -It’s over...

LionDeNittany said:
I'm not expecting great things... just being able to stop UCLA and NW.
If that is not possible then why pay him?
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I believe those behind Franklin's exit expect a good bit more than that. Franklin had a history of beating UCLA/NW talent teams so it that's all they expect they could have just given him a little more NIL to help him get back to that.

I'm looking for more of a Cael planned more here, although no one can dominate college football the way Cael does wrestling. We'll see.
 
Sandy was incompetent. I remember the years before his new deal. Franklin would be a threat to leave to every decent head coach job.
I supervised people for 32 years. If anyone said give me a raise or I will leave, I would have fired them or ignored them and begin looking for a replacement. I remember thinking this. Sadly, in Franklin's case, I was correct. 1-25 against the top ten teams is his legacy for the rest of his very wealthy life.
Wealth means nothing. I live on $2800/mo, , have $600 savings every month, live in one of America's best towns, and have family near buy. I am very wealthy in what matters. I pray that coach finds this kind of wealth.
 
From an outsider perspective, this has the look and feel of an impending disaster- and likely portends a swoon that will bring this program to its knees or whatever rock bottom turns out to be. The economics of it are irrelevant, but the optics are blade sharp: PSU expectations are unrealistic, the pressure cooker has no outlet valve, and the only acceptable result is not attainable with the available resources and culture.

Wisconsin (disaster after Chryst), Auburn (from disappointing to wretched) and Nebraska (prior to Rhule- and even now we're not exactly rockstars) are templates for what I think is now inevitable. We can say it's a money game and pretend that throwing more millions at it will help, but other teams are spending just as much money with better continuity- and almost certainly better coaches than are available to replace Franklin. PSU is a career-ending stop, straight up. You aren't going to get promising young coaches who don't want to end up spit out of a meat grinder, but may get some end-of-career opportunists that are OK with the pain for a big contract and fat buyout in a couple years.

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GregInPitt said:
I believe those behind Franklin's exit expect a good bit more than that. Franklin had a history of beating UCLA/NW talent teams so it that's all they expect they could have just given him a little more NIL to help him get back to that.

I'm looking for more of a Cael planned more here, although no one can dominate college football the way Cael does wrestling. We'll see.
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Franklin has a losing record to Northwestern
 
Big104EvuhDuh said:
From an outsider perspective, this has the look and feel of an impending disaster- and likely portends a swoon that will bring this program to its knees or whatever rock bottom turns out to be. The economics of it are irrelevant, but the optics are blade sharp: PSU expectations are unrealistic, the pressure cooker has no outlet valve, and the only acceptable result is not attainable with the available resources and culture.
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LOL. Dude you have no clue.
 
Big104EvuhDuh said:
From an outsider perspective, this has the look and feel of an impending disaster- and likely portends a swoon that will bring this program to its knees or whatever rock bottom turns out to be. The economics of it are irrelevant, but the optics are blade sharp: PSU expectations are unrealistic, the pressure cooker has no outlet valve, and the only acceptable result is not attainable with the available resources and culture.

Wisconsin (disaster after Chryst), Auburn (from disappointing to wretched) and Nebraska (prior to Rhule- and even now we're not exactly rockstars) are templates for what I think is now inevitable. We can say it's a money game and pretend that throwing more millions at it will help, but other teams are spending just as much money with better continuity- and almost certainly better coaches than are available to replace Franklin. PSU is a career-ending stop, straight up. You aren't going to get promising young coaches who don't want to end up spit out of a meat grinder, but may get some end-of-career opportunists that are OK with the pain for a big contract and fat buyout in a couple years.

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E-e-ee-e-ee-ee-e-e!!!!!!
 
Big104EvuhDuh said:
Right, I've only seen it happen again and again and experienced it directly. Perhaps PSU is special and destined to succeed where other schools have not but the evidence doesn't seem to bear that out.
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Has Penn State ever not been successful?

What Penn State has, most schools don't have.

Regionally it has no competition.
 
LionDeNittany said:
Has Penn State ever not been successful?
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Based on events of several days ago, I'd say it has not met the expectations of the powers that be. I'm shocked as hell they fired Franklin as most teams would kill to be where they are. That's what you're hiring into: Successful as hell is not good enough. Instead of playing to save their beloved coach, players are now expected to perform strictly for the money and to bail out an athletic director. We've heard this song before....
 
Big104EvuhDuh said:
I'm shocked as hell they fired Franklin as most teams would kill to be where they are.
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Most teams?
I think you live in some alternative universe.

Penn State has been a football power since the 1960s.
It has one of the largest fanbases.
It sits in fertile recruiting areas
It jas no regional competition.

LdN
 
LionDeNittany said:
Most teams?
I think you live in some alternative universe.

Penn State has been a football power since the 1960s.
It has one of the largest fanbases.
It sits in fertile recruiting areas
It jas no regional competition.

LdN
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Sure, that 1986 national title was nice... bit of a ways back, though.

By that standard, I could talk up Nebraska's national titles, much more recent and numerous but that's ancient history. We are where you're heading in my opinion. Pelini wasn't close to what Franklin was and that firing turned out to be an irrecoverable disaster.

Of course, I could be wrong but the entitlement and expectations of past success being repeated in spite of major head winds... been there big time.
 
Who can attract a high and deep level of talent plus find success at controlling the LOS? Looking for a candidate who can achieve both.
Drinkwitz? Brady? Rhule? Cignetti? Not sure. Meyer? Probably.
 
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Big104EvuhDuh said:
Sure, that 1986 national title was nice... bit of a ways back, though.

By that standard, I could talk up Nebraska's national titles, much more recent and numerous but that's ancient history. We are where you're heading in my opinion. Pelini wasn't close to what Franklin was and that firing turned out to be an irrecoverable disaster.

Of course, I could be wrong but the entitlement and expectations of past success being repeated in spite of major head winds... been there big time.
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You just said that Franklin was doing grear and we were having 10 win seasons.

Then in the same breath you said we were successful in the 80s and 90s.

So please, again, tell me why Penn State is dependent on Franklin.

You think he is the one that brings the success, despite the long history of success?

It's an odd argument you have.

Can you please point to a period of time, longer than a few years, when Penm State was not successful?

Nebraska was successful recruiting criminals no other schools would take.

LdN
 
Big104EvuhDuh said:
Sure, that 1986 national title was nice... bit of a ways back, though.

By that standard, I could talk up Nebraska's national titles, much more recent and numerous but that's ancient history. We are where you're heading in my opinion. Pelini wasn't close to what Franklin was and that firing turned out to be an irrecoverable disaster.

Of course, I could be wrong but the entitlement and expectations of past success being repeated in spite of major head winds... been there big time.
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And they don't hand out titles for lifetime achievement anymore like in '94.
 
Big104EvuhDuh said:
Based on events of several days ago, I'd say it has not met the expectations of the powers that be. I'm shocked as hell they fired Franklin as most teams would kill to be where they are. That's what you're hiring into: Successful as hell is not good enough. Instead of playing to save their beloved coach, players are now expected to perform strictly for the money and to bail out an athletic director. We've heard this song before....

Dumbest post in a long time here. Your trolling is failing.
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Big104EvuhDuh said:
From an outsider perspective, this has the look and feel of an impending disaster- and likely portends a swoon that will bring this program to its knees or whatever rock bottom turns out to be. The economics of it are irrelevant, but the optics are blade sharp: PSU expectations are unrealistic, the pressure cooker has no outlet valve, and the only acceptable result is not attainable with the available resources and culture.

Wisconsin (disaster after Chryst), Auburn (from disappointing to wretched) and Nebraska (prior to Rhule- and even now we're not exactly rockstars) are templates for what I think is now inevitable. We can say it's a money game and pretend that throwing more millions at it will help, but other teams are spending just as much money with better continuity- and almost certainly better coaches than are available to replace Franklin. PSU is a career-ending stop, straight up. You aren't going to get promising young coaches who don't want to end up spit out of a meat grinder, but may get some end-of-career opportunists that are OK with the pain for a big contract and fat buyout in a couple years.

Remember how well this one aged- when Ryan day just couldn't win the big games? Calls for Ryan Day's firing in 2024
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Are you brain dead? Career ending? 4 coaches 8n 60 years.
 
GregInPitt said:
It would likely work much better with better players. Like the one's he had at Uh-high-ya......

When a team loses 3 of their top 4 DE's and 3 of their top 4 DT's, and hasn't recruited DT particularly well recently why would we expect otherwise?
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Knowles has been here since February to cultivate and coach up the D Line. He has Durant and DDS along with Fisher and Ford.
Not OSU level but very good talent. Younger highly rated guys like Harvey, Kemajou, Wafle and Coleman who showed up in June. This is enough talent to stand up to the likes of UCLA and NW and assert their talent advantage.
 
ryoder1 said:
Knowles has been here since February to cultivate and coach up the D Line. He has Durant and DDS along with Fisher and Ford.
Not OSU level but very good talent. Younger highly rated guys like Harvey, Kemajou, Wafle and Coleman who showed up in June. This is enough talent to stand up to the likes of UCLA and NW and assert their talent advantage.
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PSU lost 3 of the top DT's and 3 of the 4 top DE's. When you replace men with boys there is going to be significant drop off in the level of play of the DL and it has been evident. Sometimes experience counts for more than talent, as the talent at some positions between UCLA/NW and PSU is not that great. Durant looked better when they were surounded by men than they do next to boys, and although somewhat experienced Fisher and Ford have not played as well as the players they replaced either.

And the QB's from both UCLA and NW outplayed the PSU as well. Both of those teams had better WR's than PSU as well.

Franklin raved about having the best personnel that he's had during his PSU tenure, but that is not true. A big reason he is gone.
 
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