Honest conversation

I still didn’t think the Oline was great even when we got going in the 4th q. Better but never great.

The touchdown to Ross was a max protect situation that only had 2 receivers in the play I believe. Now why didn’t AK do that earlier and more frequently (or move the pocket with rollouts)? That’s a ‘fair question’.

The 2nd TD was a beautiful counter play and that raises another very fair question of AK - when playing teams with a very aggressive D, why not run more counters, draws, or screens and slants to counter their aggressiveness? I’m sure the coaching staff is discussing this as we speak.

Ross TD had 3 routes. Rapp actually drew in 2 defenders on his Stop route, which kept Ross from being doubled. The bigger issue is why aren't we running more from that formation to enhance its PA capabilities?

We also did run a Slant, and some screens. They just didn't work (because we don't seem to prioritize them for the offense). Drew pinged Hudson on the helmet with the slant.
 
Regarding the fumble that was over turned, I was under the understanding that a body part has to hit the "ground", not touch a blade of grass. The RB's knee did not hit the ground. A more conservative ruling due to the fact that there really wasn't conclusive evidence should have been that the call on the field stands, or whatever they call it this year.

Regarding the OT pick, it was first down and knowing that a turnover means a loss that pass shouldn't have been thrown in my opinion. When I watched the play live there was another PSU WR that broke into the end zone on that sideline by himself and it looked like if Allar had pump faked it to the TE he could have lobbed it into the end zone for the TD. But it was first down and there was no need to force the ball into a tight windown. Especially when Allar was inaccurate on about every pass except the long one to Ross.
As to the fumble that was overturned, you are correct, a body part must hit the ground, not a blade od grass. I gairantee that will never be called that way again. Also, there is no way there was indisputable evidence to.over turn the call on the field.

I know the Offense was a hot mess for most of the game, but if that fumble was called correctly, the PSU D would probably have only given up 10 pts, to a team that was averaging 50/game. I am SO sick of crazy calls only going against PSU. I'm not talking about a missed holding call or pass interference. Against OSU, the replay cameras stopped working for 15 seconds, a toe heel call that has never been called that way again, and now a blade of grass(maybe.) I don't want to hear how they had their opportunities and missed them. All games should be called fairly. Can anyone point out a crazy ruling that went in Penn States favor that was never called that way again?
 
As to the fumble that was overturned, you are correct, a body part must hit the ground, not a blade od grass. I gairantee that will never be called that way again. Also, there is no way there was indisputable evidence to.over turn the call on the field.

I know the Offense was a hot mess for most of the game, but if that fumble was called correctly, the PSU D would probably have only given up 10 pts, to a team that was averaging 50/game. I am SO sick of crazy calls only going against PSU. I'm not talking about a missed holding call or pass interference. Against OSU, the replay cameras stopped working for 15 seconds, a toe heel call that has never been called that way again, and now a blade of grass(maybe.) I don't want to hear how they had their opportunities and missed them. All games should be called fairly. Can anyone point out a crazy ruling that went in Penn States favor that was never called that way again?
It may be due to stress from my watching the game, but it always seems to me that when the ball is downed very close to the first down or the goal line (e.g. a reviewed TD call), it is placed where the ball carrier's knee touched the ground and not at the vertical plane of where the ball was when the knee touched the ground. Instead of the ball being placed three inches from the goal line or the first down marker, the ball is placed two feet to a yard back.
 
I willl add more honesty to my other post which will bring more hate( to me)….. singleton will get drafted and will be out of the NFL as a running back in a couple years. His weaknesses are an absolute must in the nfl. Everyone is fast at that level.

Allar will be drafted and do spun out also… Every Sunday in the NFL is the intensity of Saturday night and you don’t get to play Nevada. They are all good.
 
We didn't lose the game because of our OL.
We have no passing game, and Singleton blows.

Both of those make teams able to tee off on our OL
The OL got manhandled. There were no holes. Allar was running for his running for his life the entire first half. Completed several passes as he was going down.

O line was supposed to be a strength but they have been really weak. Even against weak teams that they should have dominated.
 
The OL got manhandled. There were no holes. Allar was running for his running for his life the entire first half. Completed several passes as he was going down.

O line was supposed to be a strength but they have been really weak. Even against weak teams that they should have dominated.

How was Oregon's OL doing?
Was their qb sitting in a pocket and slinging the ball?
 
Singleton is below average as a running back. And he singlehandedly has lost some big games for us with his lack of vision and running into the backs of his defenders.

I can't imagine just how frustrating it is for the OL to create these holes and then get a helmet into their lower back time and time again.

Not sure why it has taken the rest of you so long to catch up to what I've been saying for almost 18 months now.

Interestingly, when we lined up Singleton as a WR, or when he goes out on WR routes, he's open.

One positive this week was we started Allen. In the direct snap (which was idiotic), but at least the staff is catching up.

Singleton is a good example of why in statistics there' an average and a median. Singleton had good averages (below Allen but still decent) but his median run was terrible.

0,0,0,0,0,0,0,90,0,0,0,0 is not good for a RB. That's Singleton.

Defenses know this. Cover the pass if he's in the backfield.

LdN
There weren’t any holes. The line sucked. They got man handled. Including in pass protection.

Allen is better than Singleton because he has better vision, can quickly bounce to ghe outside, and had enough shake-n-bake to make guys miss and break arm tackles.

Singleton was always about speed. Hit the hole fast, make one move and off to the races. Doesn’t work when there is no initial opening to run through.
 
There weren’t any holes. The line sucked. They got man handled. Including in pass protection.

Allen is better than Singleton because he has better vision, can quickly bounce to ghe outside, and had enough shake-n-bake to make guys miss and break arm tackles.

Singleton was always about speed. Hit the hole fast, make one move and off to the races. Doesn’t work when there is no initial opening to run through.

You need to watch Singleton run.
There are holes. He is missing them and running into the backs of his defender.
 
How was Oregon's OL doing?
Was their qb sitting in a pocket and slinging the ball?
A) they held a lot B) completely irrelevant. What they did hss no bearing on what ours did. Zero. Nadda. Nothing.

Our line sucked. There were no holes. No pass protection. Replays showed ghrm getting tossed around like crazy.

Methinks an issue is our horrendously weak schedule. No way does playing Villanova prep you for facing Oregon.

Not only are the linemen bigger but they are quick as a cat. So that means blocks are missed, linemen start reaching and getting off balance….and 💥💥💥BOOM💥💥💥 they get tossed aside or run over.

Took the entire first half to adjust…..which is hard to do when you get consecutive three and outs..

Another issue was horrible play calling. No way we should wait until under eight minutes left before throwing the ball over 20 yards downfield. Shoulda tossed at least two in the first qtr just to force the d backs to play back. A fifty yd interception is as good as a punt.

Reynolds dropped two passes and Dinkle dropped one in the first half. That certainly changed the game. Both in results and future play calling.
 
It's hard to focus on the individual olinemen and how each is faring play to play but I remember a replay that showed Rucci looking like he was stuck in concrete as his man made a more and ran right by him. In the run game none of our olinemen seemed to show NFL potential on Saturday. Is Oregon's DL really that good? Their DE's seem very good but they had to replace both DT's that went to the NFL.

The PSU OL will really have to pick it up in all phases for PSU to run the table and make the playoff even excluding the game in Columbus....
 
A) they held a lot B) completely irrelevant. What they did hss no bearing on what ours did. Zero. Nadda. Nothing.

Our line sucked. There were no holes. No pass protection. Replays showed ghrm getting tossed around like crazy.

Methinks an issue is our horrendously weak schedule. No way does playing Villanova prep you for facing Oregon.

Not only are the linemen bigger but they are quick as a cat. So that means blocks are missed, linemen start reaching and getting off balance….and 💥💥💥BOOM💥💥💥 they get tossed aside or run over.

Took the entire first half to adjust…..which is hard to do when you get consecutive three and outs..

Another issue was horrible play calling. No way we should wait until under eight minutes left before throwing the ball over 20 yards downfield. Shoulda tossed at least two in the first qtr just to force the d backs to play back. A fifty yd interception is as good as a punt.

Reynolds dropped two passes and Dinkle dropped one in the first half. That certainly changed the game. Both in results and future play calling.

How Oregon's line was doing is important because we tend to be more critical of our own players than those of the other team.

I'm going to say this again though. There were holes. And our pass protection was as good or better than our opponents.

So did Oregon's oline suck?
 
How Oregon's line was doing is important because we tend to be more critical of our own players than those of the other team.

I'm going to say this again though. There were holes. And our pass protection was as good or better than our opponents.

So did Oregon's oline suck?
It is not all on Singleton. He was not good but our pass protection was shaky and it is not like Allen ran wild meaning there was not great blocking for him. They were better in the 4th quarter not sure what happened to Oregon in that quarter but that is something to note. I don't think it was simply they eased up or mysteriously went to a different defense that was less effective. We turned it on, finally. The fact is that besides the 4th quarter the whole offense was horrible for the rest of the game.
 
It is not all on Singleton. He was not good but our pass protection was shaky and it is not like Allen ran wild meaning there was not great blocking for him. They were better in the 4th quarter not sure what happened to Oregon in that quarter but that is something to note. I don't think it was simply they eased up or mysteriously went to a different defense that was less effective. We turned it on, finally. The fact is that besides the 4th quarter the whole offense was horrible for the rest of the game.

It was on Singleton and Allar.

No running game and no passing game allows a dl to tee off on an OL.

Was our passing game any sort of threat? No.
Is Singleton a threat? No. He reestablished himself as a guy who runs directly into the first person he sees early in the first quarter.

OLs aren't stronger than dl. They win because the know the play and use DL momentum against them.

In our case, with no passing game and a weak running game, the DL could own our OL all day.
 
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It's hard to focus on the individual olinemen and how each is faring play to play but I remember a replay that showed Rucci looking like he was stuck in concrete as his man made a more and ran right by him. In the run game none of our olinemen seemed to show NFL potential on Saturday. Is Oregon's DL really that good? Their DE's seem very good but they had to replace both DT's that went to the NFL.

The PSU OL will really have to pick it up in all phases for PSU to run the table and make the playoff even excluding the game in Columbus....
 
Agree that Penn State isn’t good enough, but they absolutely DO have players that can beat Oregon.— The offense is inexplicably ineffectual. There is nothing “smooth” about it….no rhythm or flow, either in hurry up or slow down. They are loaded with asymmetry. Even the simplest plays are executed poorly ( most). This needs to be fixed from the top down. This is a coach K problem, to an OL problem, to a QB problem etc. They need to get really “f ing” good at a few things, and expand from there. They are currently mediocre at virtually everything. Simplify the menu, and let your athletes be athletes. They can compete successfully with anyone
That sounds good but the most basic plays are the one's that this offense can't seem to execute successfully.

The misdirection motion then flip to Ross going the other way, a play that would seem to require more practice and which I don't remember seeing before was executed to perfection. That's probably because Oregon hadn't seen it either. Which makes the case that going basic, just manning up vs the Oregon defense, isn't likely to work either, which it didn't in the run game. The passing game, basic or with wrinkles, isn't working unless Allar can read coverages and throw accurately which he didn't seem to do a a high level vs Oregon. And we should give Oregon credit as they have at least as much talent as PSU and they executed better especially on defense.
 
Executive Summary:
>UO fixed its weaknesses during the off-season
>UO researched and schemed to take advantage of PSU's offensive weaknesses
>UO took what it was allowed by the PSU defense
>PSU overestimated its talent during the off-season and filled in a few gaps as best it could
>PSU did not do much research and scheming in the two weeks prior to the game and decided the white out and its NFL OL were enough to win the game
>PSU now sees its shortcomings. There will be some rationalizations, but also some panic coming from its AD, its major benefactors, and its head coach.
 
Executive Summary:
>UO fixed its weaknesses during the off-season
>UO researched and schemed to take advantage of PSU's offensive weaknesses
>UO took what it was allowed by the PSU defense
>PSU overestimated its talent during the off-season and filled in a few gaps as best it could
>PSU did not do much research and scheming in the two weeks prior to the game and decided the white out and its NFL OL were enough to win the game
>PSU now sees its shortcomings. There will be some rationalizations, but also some panic coming from its AD, its major benefactors, and its head coach.
If you think that the coaching staff didn’t do any scouting or any scheming you are one crazy mofo. 🤪

The problem is we played three games against the Little Sisters of the Poor and had no idea of what needed work, what was working and the players had what speed, quickness and power they were going to be facing.

I warned a week ago the first half would be sloppy for both teams. Us because our schedule sucked and them because of the Whiteout noise and energy.

I think Coach Ko saw Oregon had great speed so he ran a lot of misdirection the first gtr thinking Oregon would over pursue and be out of position. But they played disciplined ball and had enough speed to get to the ball.

And our O line got manhandled because they weren’t used to the strength or quickness of top level talent after a sleepy walkthrough with Villanova, FIU, and Nevada.
 
It is not all on Singleton. He was not good but our pass protection was shaky and it is not like Allen ran wild meaning there was not great blocking for him. They were better in the 4th quarter not sure what happened to Oregon in that quarter but that is something to note. I don't think it was simply they eased up or mysteriously went to a different defense that was less effective. We turned it on, finally. The fact is that besides the 4th quarter the whole offense was horrible for the rest of the game.
Why the OC couldn't figure things out earlier is the mystery. Unacceptable. Still Allar & Singleton had subpar games, for Allar that is the pattern in big games. We've all been concerned since last season that this offense is an uncomfortable fit for the current QBs and the WR routing stinks.
 
If you think that the coaching staff didn’t do any scouting or any scheming you are one crazy mofo. 🤪

The problem is we played three games against the Little Sisters of the Poor and had no idea of what needed work, what was working and the players had what speed, quickness and power they were going to be facing.

I warned a week ago the first half would be sloppy for both teams. Us because our schedule sucked and them because of the Whiteout noise and energy.

I think Coach Ko saw Oregon had great speed so he ran a lot of misdirection the first gtr thinking Oregon would over pursue and be out of position. But they played disciplined ball and had enough speed to get to the ball.

And our O line got manhandled because they weren’t used to the strength or quickness of top level talent after a sleepy walkthrough with Villanova, FIU, and Nevada.
"did not do much research and scheming" because it showed in the play design and playcalling. -OCMF 🤪
 
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