Neither question has the slightest thing to do with the issue at hand.
Miami in, ND out
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Neither question has the slightest thing to do with the issue at hand.
Thank you, Mary. Apology accepted.
We'll agree to disagree on whether or not Notre Dame got screwed. To me, it's pretty obvious that the last-minute reordering of the rankings was pure politics.
LudicrousSpeedGO!
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You asked Mary if Jesus approved of her views on Notre Dame. I think Jesus would not approve of Notre Dame pretending to be catholic and their actions clearly not being very Christian at all. That seems relevant to me.
Did you approve of how Notre Dame sent a student up in winds exceeding those allowable for the lift to get practice film and then covering it up after the tragic death? I believe it was wrong.
As I read the posts here, there is no rebuttal whatsoever...or even an attempt at a rebuttal...to my main point, which is that Notre Dame's sudden exclusion from the playoff after a last-minute reordering of the rankings was a function of pure politics for the benefit of the ACC, the SEC, and ESPN. Rather, there's only gloatng rooted in hatred of Notre Dame.
The irony is that Notre Dame is the draw that it is...and commands the audience that it does...and thereby gets away with being "special" the way it does...based as much on how many people hate them as love them. It turns out hate makes for big-time ratings
The irony is that Notre Dame is the draw that it is...and commands the audience that it does...and thereby gets away with being "special" the way it does...based as much on how many people hate them as love them. It turns out hate makes for big-time ratings
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No, I didn't ask Mary if Jesus approved of her views on Notre Dame. I asked Mary if Jesus would approve of engaging in name-calling because I have a different view from hers on Notre Dame. And to Mary's credit, she apologized for that, which doesn't happen a lot on message boards.
Georgetown, Marquette, Loyola, etc. Too many secular and woke admin and faculty in Catholic colleges who want to be open to all beliefs.
This is probably the last school sticking to doctrine.
Franciscan University of Steubenville | Live the Truth
Franciscan University of Steubenville in Ohio is a “faithfully Catholic university” that offers associate, bachelor, and master degrees (on campus and online).
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Georgetown, Marquette, Loyola, etc. Too many secular woke admin and faculty in Catholic colleges who want to be open to all beliefs.
This is probably the last school sticking to doctrine.
Franciscan University of Steubenville | Live the Truth
Franciscan University of Steubenville in Ohio is a “faithfully Catholic university” that offers associate, bachelor, and master degrees (on campus and online).
franciscan.edu
I've apparently outed myself as a closet Irish sympathizer in a sea of Notre Dame haters.
No hard feelings, guys, I'm still a Penn State fan above anything else...honest injun...
In fact, I still haven't quite gotten over that INT thrown by Drew to close out last year's semifinal game against ND. In retrospect, that terrible throw lit the fuse that ended up blowing up our 2025 season.
No hard feelings, guys, I'm still a Penn State fan above anything else...honest injun...
In fact, I still haven't quite gotten over that INT thrown by Drew to close out last year's semifinal game against ND. In retrospect, that terrible throw lit the fuse that ended up blowing up our 2025 season.
Georgetown, Marquette, Loyola, etc. Too many secular and woke admin and faculty in Catholic colleges who want to be open to all beliefs.
This is probably the last school sticking to doctrine.
Franciscan University of Steubenville | Live the Truth
Franciscan University of Steubenville in Ohio is a “faithfully Catholic university” that offers associate, bachelor, and master degrees (on campus and online).
There are a handful of genuinely Catholic colleges dotting the landscape. Franciscan is definitely one. Another is Christendom College in Front Royal, Virginia, where two of my kids got their degrees.
Notre Dame has some good faculty members but as an institution has sold out and is now Catholic in name only.
The Spin Meister
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marylovesthelions
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They are apostate
marylovesthelions
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Let's not pick on Catholic schools. Many schools associated with some denomination are apostate from the Bible and Christ's church. No one is perfect except Christ.Georgetown, Marquette, Loyola, etc. Too many secular woke admin and faculty in Catholic colleges who want to be open to all beliefs.
This is probably the last school sticking to doctrine.
Franciscan University of Steubenville | Live the Truth
Franciscan University of Steubenville in Ohio is a “faithfully Catholic university” that offers associate, bachelor, and master degrees (on campus and online).
marylovesthelions
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James, chapter 3, was in my reading today. I am going to use my calendar app to read it once a week.
NittanyLion99
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Respectfully, I think you are missing the bigger underlying driver. It not about a blind "hatred of ND." Did the committee appear to make a head-scratching reordering? Yes. But let's be real. Usually ND gets the benefit of these decisions made for "pure politics." Everyone "gloating" is simply acknowledging the "make-up cal"l of ND getting a taste of its own medicine for once. And how did they respond? They threw a **** temper tantrum like a bunch of entitled babies. Are you F###ing kidding me?
There is also the fact that ND's resume is hot garbage. You can spin some sort SOS argument any way you want, but you understand the relative quality of who they played and how they performed. For example, beating a bunch of 30th percentile teams is no different than beating a bunch of 40th percentile teams when you are a Top 15 team. Alabama wasn't great. Miami wasn't great. But neither was ND. Arguing over who is 9th place is stupid. I thought expanding to 12 would lessen any real bitching b/c it would include teams with no real chance to win. This ND hissy fit makes me want to shrink the playoff field. "You lost 2 games and beat nobody. SHUT UP and enjoy the Buccee's hot mess carquest bowl sponsored by Tostitos."
This isn't about "hatred of ND." It's enjoying watching a bunch of entitled D-bags having the shoe on the other foot ONE F###ing time and seeing them throw a temper tantrum like the spoiled toddlers they are. Everyone enjoys a little karma. Everyone enjoys a little karma on ND a little more because they are a whole lot more deserving of it.
I'm surprised that a ND, with perhaps the largest following, wasn't selected solely for viewership. But I guess power broker ESPN believes its SEC will deliver in that area, while also punishing ND for its independence.
Well far be it from me to begrudge anyone their Notre Dame hate. I mean, I "hate" Ohio State, Michigan, and the SEC, so who am I to object to others "hating" Notre Dame. (It's a given that when we talk about "hate" in this context, we're using the word figuratively...like saying I hate liver or something along those lines.)
That said, I think you're behind the times with your "pure politics" equation. There was a time when Notre Dame benefited big-time from the politics of college football. That time was long ago. Now it's more likely that Notre Dame falls on the wrong side of the sport's politics for the simple reason that there's a powerful media contingent that hates Notre Dame as well as a powerful alliance of networks and conferences whose interests oppose Notre Dame's.
This is not new in fact. Go back, for example, to 1993 when Notre Dame finished 2nd to Florida State in the final polls despite soundly beating the Seminoles, supposedly one of the teams of the century, only a few weeks earlier. This after Notre Dame finished 2nd to Miami in 1989 and the media argument then was, well, Miami beat Notre Dame head-to-head. End of discussion. A few years later, suddenly that metric didn't count.
That's why I commented earlier in this thread that things like head-to-head or the eye test or whatever other bullshite the media wants to blather about only seem to make the difference when it's politically convenient and suits the desired political end result, factors which change from year to year.
I'm actually no great fan of Notre Dame but as a fan of college football I would have liked to see them make the playoff field this year for the potentially great matchups that would have happened. I mean, everyone knows that Notre Dame is one of the five best teams in the country at this point in time. Even Notre Dame haters in the media generally admit to that. Vegas had them as the 4th most likely team to win the whole thing. The idea they get left out at the last minute for reasons of politics while Tulane and James Madison get served up as ritual sacrifices in the first round is laughable.
You pooh-pooh the schedule matrix of ESPN, FPI, Sagarin and so forth, but those lists are based on metrics. There is no bias built into them, unlike there is in the arguments of commentators and fans. And the metrics show that the schedule knock on Notre Dame doesn't hold up.
No disrespect intended to your point of view and certainly no offense taken. I'm a fan of a team, Penn State, that's been screwed over so many times in so many ways over so many years for reasons that have boiled down to politics. So that's a sore spot in general with me. If the talking heads had the integrity to look us in the eye and say, look, yes, we had to do a last-minute reordering of the rankings to accommodate Alabama, the SEC, the ACC, and ESPN, I could at least respect their honesty. But instead they insult my intelligence by peeing on my leg and saying it's raining.
NittanyLion99
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No disrespect taken. I always enjoy a calm and rational debate. I guess in the end, to your point of PSU having experienced this over a long period of time, I lose no sleep over it happening to ND, and frankly, only the likes of ND and hopefully schools like OSU and Bama, will there be any chance of actual change, so I say, bring on the politics. I'm enjoying the F'ing of ND and I will root fort he future F'ing of OSU, Mich, and every blue bloods of the SEC.
NittanyLion99
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Agreed, I'd love to see Michigan, Ohio State, or the SEC screwed over but the problem is, that's never gonna happen. It never has happened. It never will. Because those are powers which truly are on the right side of the politics equation...unlike Penn State and (in my view at least) Notre Dame.
LudicrousSpeedGO!
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Notre Dame deserves to get boxed out entirely. They can play a crap schedule, lose to the only 2 fairly decent teams that they played and then cry about how they were left out for teams that actually had to play their conference's schedule and play in a conference championship game on top of that if they qualified. Until they join a conference, they should be shunned. No power 4 team should schedule them. They don't need the power 4 conferences? Fine. Let their brand atrophy playing only the next tier down. No special rules for being a fake Catholic.