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Frank Lee said:
If something fails consistently, then fix it or replace it. If Terry is a nice guy, and has also played the game, and has a motivated locker room, then it's worth a shot. And the game is not rocket science as we're all led to believe. It's about blocking, tackling, running plays, and pass plays. As we saw last night. Nothing that only a Drinkwitz, a Key, or a Hartline can do.
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Sorry ‘worth a shot’ doesn’t cut it. Hope is not a plan.
 
Sheriff Coffee said:
Well, the conversation is in comparison to Terry smith. So I guess your position is Terry is a nice, plan spoken guy who achieved position coach status. Awesome. Oh yeah, Terry is three years older.
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And yet, James couldn’t start the best running back on the team because of favoritism. Couldn’t answer a simple question at a post game press conference about wanting to continue to be the PSU football coach, and let an interim coaching staff at UCLA kick his ears in, in demoralizing fashion. If only we expanded the size of the State College airport. James Franklin’s life cycle at PSU was over.
 
Frank Lee said:
And Terry Smith has improved the team's performance (Singleton, OL, DDS, and Grunkemeyer, in particular) and the players are more motivated and want him as head coach.
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We beat Michigan State and Nebraska without their quarterback. Both teams are ranked below 75th in run defense.

Terry has done a great job. I’ll support him. But I will be disappointed if he is the best option we have.
 
Frank Lee said:
Terry Smith doesn't recruit and Hartline being considered a future HC are not strong arguments IMHO.
Anyway, the point of my post is that a winning culture and motivating players may require more than the number of years one has on a resume. I'll go as far as saying that there has been no proof that Hartline has really done anything to make him HC material and that if it is actually true that he is a great recruiter, then 80% of that can be attributed to his employer.
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You can be skeptical of Hartline, but that doesn't make the case for TS. I like him. He might be great in the end, but PSU hiring TS would be like Google promoting a mid-level manager to be the new CEO. The guy might be great, but Google just isn't hiring a CEO without being proven in other relevant and similar capacities. The risk is too great. No HS kid is excited to commit to TS, a guy they've never heard of, who has never been a CFB head coach. PSU is too big to hire TS. There is far too much at stake.
 
Sheriff Coffee said:
We beat Michigan State and Nebraska without their quarterback. Both teams are ranked below 75th in run defense.

Terry has done a great job. I’ll support him. But I will be disappointed if he is the best option we have.
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Agree but I will not be 'disappointed' if he is hired.

Deboer, hartline, Chesney, Smith. I would be fine with any of those four
 
Bison13 said:
Agree but I will not be 'disappointed' if he is hired.

Deboer, hartline, Chesney, Smith. I would be fine with any of those four
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Agreed. I am not sure ‘disappointed’ is the right word. Each candidate comes with history and baggage. Any PSU fan has to love smith but he is inexperienced as a head coach and leader of a major program. That makes him a riskier choice. But if he is the guy I’ll support him 100%.
 
NittanyLion99 said:
You can be skeptical of Hartline, but that doesn't make the case for TS. I like him. He might be great in the end, but PSU hiring TS would be like Google promoting a mid-level manager to be the new CEO. The guy might be great, but Google just isn't hiring a CEO without being proven in other relevant and similar capacities. The risk is too great. No HS kid is excited to commit to TS, a guy they've never heard of, who has never been a CFB head coach. PSU is too big to hire TS. There is far too much at stake.
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I like Hartline but he is a Buckeye through and through

I once loved a gal who dumped me for her old boyfriend. Later she came back to me. Then she wanted to get serious and all I could think about was that she really wanted to be with that other guy. I dumped her and it was 100% The right choice to do so. I feel like he could be a great coach but he’d really rather be at OSU.
 
Sheriff Coffee said:
We beat Michigan State and Nebraska without their quarterback. Both teams are ranked below 75th in run defense.

Terry has done a great job. I’ll support him. But I will be disappointed if he is the best option we have.
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There is only one Cignetti out there that we know of. Saban was not great at MSU, not until he got to Alabama. It's hard to have a true comparison of head coaches. Why isn't Drinkwitz winning as much as Cignetti is? He is no "home run hire". Who else would be? Maybe Kiffen,, but I just don't like him.
Here we have a clear comparison in coaches with the same players in Franklin and Terry. You have to acknowledge the difference in this team since Terry has taken over, even though it has taken a few weeks to see the full effect. With Terry calling out the OL to block better, letting the younger WR get playing time, Making Kaytron the priority RB, getting Diaz's prowler package installed, and making sure the offense is taking deeper shots downfield. And just instilling a sense of fight in a team that has almost zero to play for.
I think the team now would surely beat Iowa, and maybe Indiana but not OSU.
 
Bison13 said:
Agree but I will not be 'disappointed' if he is hired.

Deboer, hartline, Chesney, Smith. I would be fine with any of those four
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Deboer is interesting. Stealing the Bama coach would be kind of a big deal. However, and I know I'm in the minority, but my favorite "home run" candidate is still Urban Meyer
 
Gitzit said:
There is only one Cignetti out there that we know of. Saban was not great at MSU, not until he got to Alabama. It's hard to have a true comparison of head coaches. Why isn't Drinkwitz winning as much as Cignetti is? He is no "home run hire". Who else would be? Maybe Kiffen,, but I just don't like him.
Here we have a clear comparison in coaches with the same players in Franklin and Terry. You have to acknowledge the difference in this team since Terry has taken over, even though it has taken a few weeks to see the full effect. With Terry calling out the OL to block better, letting the younger WR get playing time, Making Kaytron the priority RB, getting Diaz's prowler package installed, and making sure the offense is taking deeper shots downfield. And just instilling a sense of fight in a team that has almost zero to play for.
I think the team now would surely beat Iowa, and maybe Indiana but not OSU.
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I agree. This is no black and white decision. It comes with strengths, weaknesses, risks. I am just pointing out Terrys risks. And I agree he’s done a great job. But four weeks during the season isn’t the job. And beating Sparty and N without their QB isn’t a miracle.
 
I'm thinking they would name Terry head coach this week, why wait? If not, it will be someone else. My wife will be dropping f-bombs like a b52 if it's not Terry lol.

Iowa at home beats MSU on last second field goal.
 
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Gitzit said:
There is only one Cignetti out there that we know of. Saban was not great at MSU, not until he got to Alabama. It's hard to have a true comparison of head coaches. Why isn't Drinkwitz winning as much as Cignetti is? He is no "home run hire". Who else would be? Maybe Kiffen,, but I just don't like him.
Here we have a clear comparison in coaches with the same players in Franklin and Terry. You have to acknowledge the difference in this team since Terry has taken over, even though it has taken a few weeks to see the full effect. With Terry calling out the OL to block better, letting the younger WR get playing time, Making Kaytron the priority RB, getting Diaz's prowler package installed, and making sure the offense is taking deeper shots downfield. And just instilling a sense of fight in a team that has almost zero to play for.
I think the team now would surely beat Iowa, and maybe Indiana but not OSU.
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Saban wasn't great anywhere he coached, MSU or NFL, until he got to the SEC where he had a big advantage over all the more ethical college teams. At LSU and then Bama he was able to over sign each recruiting class and then cut down to the 85 after he weeded out the players in Spring practice. So he put about 30% more of the 4 and 5 star players that Bama $$$ was able to attract to his team through competition for the 85 roster he took into each season. He couldn't win anything on a leve playing field.

Sorry, but that's what should appear on his resume and astericed next to his MNC's.......
 
Knowing what tough, smart, blue collar football is and setting the tone. And hiring the OC and DC accordingly. That would be Terry's job. (BTW, That Joe/409 button was an in your face FU to Franklin and the old admin.)
There's a long history of stupid hires. HP hired Carly Fiorina cus "she's from AT&T" and look how that turned out with her Compaq acquisition. However, it was the tweaking of apparently obvious things like where CEO Jack Welch segmented his organization, and where Lee Iacocca demanded a quality product.
If Terry brings back blocking, tackling, hitting, intensity, and knows to hire an OC that gets first downs when it's third and seven, then Terry's the man. Again, Hartline could be another Fickell, Sinkwitz could be another Jonathan Smith, and DeBoer could be someone dreaming about sailing on the Puget Sound.
 
Gitzit said:
I'm thinking they would name Terry head coach this week, why wait? If not, it will be someone else. My wife will be dropping f-bombs like a b52 if it's not Terry lol.

Iowa at home beats MSU on last second field goal.
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The surge in demand for Terry surprised Kraft and he knows that offering him a trinket to placate him won't go over well. We'll get to see what kind of politician and negotiator Kraft is.
 
People respect leaders who are authentic, confident, and worked their way up the ladder. They'll work and play harder for them knowing that there's competency at the top and that things will work out. Those are key qualities that need to be re-instilled.
 
Frank Lee said:
If Terry brings back blocking, tackling, hitting, intensity, and knows to hire an OC that gets first downs when it's third and seven, then Terry's the man. Again, Hartline could be another Fickell, Sinkwitz could be another Jonathan Smith, and DeBoer could be someone dreaming about sailing on the Puget Sound.
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Terry has already done that. And with a OC that seemed lost, when he just needed a kick in the arse.

The only real question is, can he identify High School talent, and Portal talent. That is what's making Cignetti a home run hire.
 
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