Next coaching candidates

NittanyLion99 said:
Don't disagree about wacky decisions in sports sometimes paying off, but Jerry Jones is THE example of mismanagement never paying off. IIRC, the cowboys currently have the longest drought of any NFL team playing in a conference championship game. Let that sink in. The most valuable franchise has one of the worst outcomes because of poor and risky management.

FTR, my statement was that Terry's resume "should preclude him." I never said it would and I stand by that. Terry to UCONN or Memphis is reasonable. Hartline to USF is a bit of a stretch, but not crazy. Terry to PSU HC is borderline insane.
Take your emotion out of this and answer one question.
Would Terry Smith be a potential candidate to take over as HC at Purdue? The answer, of course, is NO. If Purdue wouldn't consider him, then logically, we shouldn't even be having this discussion about PSU hiring him. I'll say it again...his resume should preclude him from being PSU's next HC.
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It works a little better when you use "should". But saying I'm saying it again is not correct since that's not what you said and I responded to.

And looking at Terry's resume, which you don't seem to like as much as I do, includes him being a high contributing letterman and having his coaching experience at his alma mater, with the consideration for being a head coach being at his alma mater. Purdue would surely consider Terry Smith for it's head coaching position if Terry was a Purdue grad, successful Purdue former player, and also had the resume of coaching responsibility at Penn State (a program with much more success than Purdue has had) that Terry does.

You don't have to change more words and "say it again". We'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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GregInPitt said:
It works a little better when you use "should". But saying I'm saying it again is not correct since that's not what you said and I responded to.

And looking at Terry's resume, which you don't seem to like as much as I do, includes him being a high contributing letterman and having his coaching experience at his alma mater, with the consideration for being a head coach being at his alma mater. Purdue would surely consider Terry Smith for it's head coaching position if Terry was a Purdue grad, successful Purdue former player, and also had the resume of coaching responsibility at Penn State (a program with much more success than Purdue has had) that Terry does.

You don't have to change more words and "say it again". We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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That is what I said. You can easily look it up, but here is my reply to your post for your convenience.
NittanyLion99 said:
There is a big gap between "dissing Terry's accomplishments" and correctly noting that his resume should preclude him from being the next PSU coach.
Let's be honest, at this point, Franklin's resume precluded him from many jobs in CFB. VT is a step down. Their previous hire was a first time HC who was JF's DC. Noting reality is not a diss. It's noting reality in an unemotional, logical way.
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Further, Purdue overlooking qualifications to hire an alum is an emotional decision.
Purdue would never consider Terry because objectively, Terry does not have the relevant job experience to be the Purdue HC.
Logically then, suggesting that PSU should overlook his objective qualification is illogical. It is an emotional position. You WANT him to be qualified, but unfortunately, he objectively, is not.
 
Re Resumes and Qualifications.
Were there any mitigating factors at Vanderbilt that got them to seven wins under Franklin? Did the planets freakishly align for him, whether exceptional QB play, favorable schedules, down years for the SEC, or the ball taking the right bounces in the right situations? Was the sample size in years long enough to make an objective evaluation?
Well anyway, resume or not, he had mortal weaknesses in a number of areas, as do most people with "resumes".
 
VT's record now: 2-6. Upside with Franklin: 5-3, maybe 6-2. VT's conference, location, and resources won't help BGJ win many championships.
 
NittanyLion99 said:
That is what I said. You can easily look it up, but here is my reply to your post for your convenience.


Further, Purdue overlooking qualifications to hire an alum is an emotional decision. IN YOUR OPINION
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NittanyLion99 said:
Purdue would never consider Terry because objectively, Terry does not have the relevant job experience to be the Purdue HC.
Logically then, suggesting that PSU should overlook his objective qualification is illogical. It is an emotional position. You WANT him to be qualified, but unfortunately, he objectively, is not. NONE OF THIS IS TRUE
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  • Northwestern hired Pat Fitzgerald in a similar situation and Pat had less relevent coaching experience than what Terry now does, and Pat was extremely successful at Northwestern. Really, your bringing Purdue into the discussion was a reach from the start and does not make any sense as Purdue and Penn State are different in history, expectations and about everything else. But here's Pat's resume before being named Northwestern's head coach which is a great example of a similar situation where a former player got the head coachng job seemingly due to his relationship with his alma mater being considered on his resume:
  • Northwestern: Defensive Backs (2001), Linebackers (2002-03), Linebackers/Recruiting Coordinator (2004-05).
  • Idaho: Linebackers/Special Teams Coordinator (2000).
  • Graduate Assistant: Maryland (1998), Colorado (1999).
NO, I don't want him to be qualified. Look it up, as I haven't really politiced for him to be named HC but only discussed the pro's and con's of the impact he could have such as player retention. So you are now for some reason making things up in an attempt to look correct insead of discussing PSU football. I've never politic'd for him as the next coach, but only reacted and did some replies to some posts that looked off base.

You'll get no further replies from me to the fairy tales you are making up.
 
NittanyLion99 said:
That is what I said. You can easily look it up, but here is my reply to your post for your convenience.


Further, Purdue overlooking qualifications to hire an alum is an emotional decision.
Purdue would never consider Terry because objectively, Terry does not have the relevant job experience to be the Purdue HC.
Logically then, suggesting that PSU should overlook his objective qualification is illogical. It is an emotional position. You WANT him to be qualified, but unfortunately, he objectively, is not.
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Terry should not go to a "grave yard of coaches" like Purdue.
 
Frank Lee said:
VT's record now: 2-6. Upside with Franklin: 5-3, maybe 6-2. VT's conference, location, and resources won't help BGJ win many championships.
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It's an incredibly weak conference. If UVA can win 10 games and get an invite to get slaughtered in the playoffs, then literally any school in that conference can. Franklin might get it done there with lesser expectations and no real competition beyond the occasional cuck game with Notre Dame every few years. But no one in that conference is legitimately a top team.
 
Guys. It's over. Let's let go of the hire Terry argument. He may get hired somewhere but it isn't at PSU. In fact, the way things broke in the coaching search, I seriously doubt that Terry could be retained in any capacity. He has to take what might be available at some lesser school and I'll be rooting for him.
 
LudicrousSpeedGO! said:
Guys. It's over. Let's let go of the hire Terry argument. He may get hired somewhere but it isn't at PSU. In fact, the way things broke in the coaching search, I seriously doubt that Terry could be retained in any capacity. He has to take what might be available at some lesser school and I'll be rooting for him.
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Unfortunately, I think you may be right and it might be too hard for Terry to stick around. I hope i am wrong.
 
Nemo said:
Unfortunately, I think you may be right and it might be too hard for Terry to stick around. I hope i am wrong.
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Before the unauthorized video of Kraft I had concerns, mostly from Terry going into self-promotion mode in the Nebraska post-game PC. But after that Kraft video was released by a player and the over the top hire Terry signs, there is no way. He had to shut the stuff down and make the focus 100% Penn St. He didn't or was unable to prevent players and others from doing it. So he cannot be retained.
 
I love Terry Smith and believe there were very good reasons to give him the job a few weeks ago.

But that didn't happen and now a lot more damage has been done.

Matt Campbell is a high-character guy who changed the culture at Iowa State and achieved a lot of success there against the odds. If we get him, I'm totally on board.

However, Matt has a very tough job in front of him and we fans will need to cut him a lot of slack. Our recruiting has flatlined. We may lose a number of players to the portal. The program is in turmoil.

I just hope they cut the deal with Matt before the end of the day so we can finally bring this hiring fiasco to an end and start the process of climbing back.
 
NittanyLion99 said:
That is what I said. You can easily look it up, but here is my reply to your post for your convenience.


Further, Purdue overlooking qualifications to hire an alum is an emotional decision.
Purdue would never consider Terry because objectively, Terry does not have the relevant job experience to be the Purdue HC.
Logically then, suggesting that PSU should overlook his objective qualification is illogical. It is an emotional position. You WANT him to be qualified, but unfortunately, he objectively, is not.
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Balderdash and globbity gloop.

They wouldn’t hire Terry because he no connections. Zero. Zilch. Zippo.

Doesn’t know the players. Or any regional high school coaches. Or donors. Or alumni. Or administrators. Or the fan base. Or local businesses.

No reason to hire him. No continuity of thd program.
 
GregInPitt said:
  • Northwestern hired Pat Fitzgerald in a similar situation and Pat had less relevent coaching experience than what Terry now does, and Pat was extremely successful at Northwestern. Really, your bringing Purdue into the discussion was a reach from the start and does not make any sense as Purdue and Penn State are different in history, expectations and about everything else. But here's Pat's resume before being named Northwestern's head coach which is a great example of a similar situation where a former player got the head coachng job seemingly due to his relationship with his alma mater being considered on his resume:
  • Northwestern: Defensive Backs (2001), Linebackers (2002-03), Linebackers/Recruiting Coordinator (2004-05).
  • Idaho: Linebackers/Special Teams Coordinator (2000).
  • Graduate Assistant: Maryland (1998), Colorado (1999).
NO, I don't want him to be qualified. Look it up, as I haven't really politiced for him to be named HC but only discussed the pro's and con's of the impact he could have such as player retention. So you are now for some reason making things up in an attempt to look correct insead of discussing PSU football. I've never politic'd for him as the next coach, but only reacted and did some replies to some posts that looked off base.

You'll get no further replies from me to the fairy tales you are making up.
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I really have no idea what you are saying. I made nothing up. Not a single thing.
The Purdue example is perfectly relevant. He isn't qualified for Purdue, a less successful and less resourced program, which illustrated by anyone saying he should be hired by PSU is silly. Full.Stop.

Player retention is not a consideration in this equation. This decision is about the next decade, not the next season.
 
1. Identify every 325-lb+ disgruntled and/or back up offensive lineman who doesn't have club feet. Then, identify the top seven and make top offers to five of them, expecting to get three.
2. Identify every 290-lb+ disgruntled and/or back up defensive tackle who has strong hands and a decent 20-yard shuttle time. Then, identify the top seven and make top offers to five of them, expecting to get three.
3. Identify every 220-lb+ disgruntled and/or back up linebacker who is smart, savvy, and likes to hit. Then, identify the top seven and make top offers to five of them, expecting to get two.

Blend the above into whoever is staying from the current roster. Focusing on these areas would be would enable the rest of the team to be competitive. Nebraska's run defensive and MSU's offense exemplified what can happen if those areas are ignored.
 
NittanyLion99 said:
Now we have this nonsense

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I don’t care who plays QB at this point. Get and pay the best one for whatever scheme MC brings in.

I can’t believe I’m even saying this, but this is basically semi-pro now, so forget the feelings and do whatever it takes to get over the plateau Franklin put us on with his micromanaging.
 
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Haha! Bring back Beau!! Yeah, like that's happening.

Did Breneman happen to notice that Grunk appears to be a rising potential star who looked impressive as hell at times after being pressed into service following Drew's injury.

The time to keep Beau and give him the keys to the 2025 car was a year ago. Of course that wasn't in the cards after Drew decided to stick around, but honestly, if Beau had been the starter this season, would things have worked out worse? I don't think so.
 
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