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Matt Campbell record 72-55
Pat Narduzzi 80-60

Franklin will probably be in the playoffs next year, with the talent that was already there, plus all the top talent at PSU that will portal there.
 
Gitzit said:
Matt Campbell record 72-55
Pat Narduzzi 80-60

Franklin will probably be in the playoffs next year, with the talent that was already there, plus all the top talent at PSU that will portal there.
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I don’t think that comparison holds up. Iowa State doesn’t have anywhere near the history or resources Pitt has, so the records aren’t really the same thing. Campbell built them into a steady program from basically nothing. You put him at a place with PSU’s roster, NIL, facilities and support and the ceiling is a whole lot higher than what he could do in Ames. Pitt and Iowa State aren’t the same type of job, not even close.
 
Just like Cignetti went to that powerhouse Indiana lol.
Not giving Terry a chance ,he won’t have the players ,or the support to win. IMO
Hopefully I’m wrong
 
Gitzit said:
Just like Cignetti went to that powerhouse Indiana lol.
Not giving Terry a chance ,he won’t have the players ,or the support to win. IMO
Hopefully I’m wrong
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Your fascination with Terry is interesting.
There is little evidence that Terry would prevent significant portal defections or that he would fare better than someone that is a current P3 head coach.
 
NittanyLion99 said:
Your fascination with Terry is interesting.
There is little evidence that Terry would prevent significant portal defections or that he would fare better than someone that is a current P3 head coach.
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The hire Terry crowd knows in their heart that Terry isn't yet qualified to take any power 4 job. I actually think the rest of the conference and the media was rooting for Terry because he isn't prepared and it would send PSU on a downward spiral. The PSU fans who bought into the hire Terry movement are simply being naive. If it ends up being Campbell (it may or may not) then we are infinitely better off. If it ends up being Campbell and we can somehow retain Terry then even better.

But Terry isn't going to be offered power 4 jobs yet. If he goes to a lesser program and cuts his teeth there, then great! He and PSU would be rewarded for what Terry brought to the table this year.

By the way, Campbell wasn't my first choice. He is a good choice with a high probability of high success here eventually. I'd be 100% behind him. I don't think he's a slam dunk. But he is a good football coach and he is pretty young yet.
 
A lot of speculation this morning on Campbell. Apparently he is meeting with the university this morning, Iowa State.

He’s a good coach with a good record. He was offensive coordinator at Mount Union when they won two national championships, he went onto both Bowling Green and Iowa State from there as head coach at Iowa State. He had a couple of good upsets and is a two time coach of the year in the 10 years there. His teams are gritty, hard-nosed, and fundamentally sound. He has the reputation of having a bit of a temper, and is now shrinking flour when it comes to working the refs, there are rumors that he was once offered the head coaching position of the Detroit Lions, others say that’s not true.

I like him. And if he is hired will be very supportive. I like his kind of teams. However, he is certainly not the home run that Pat craft promised. He’s got a lot of work to do to prepare for next season and to build a roster, I hope his first meeting is to meet with Terry and make sure he stays with the program.

We’ll see if he is our next head coach or not. Should be an interesting day.
 
My earlier post should not have said "done deal." It should have read "hopefully done deal." I don't even want to think about where we'll be if this one fizzles.

Whatever my feelings about Terry Smith -- I think they should have hired him three weeks ago -- I could get on board big-time with Campbell. The guy turned Iowa State's forlorn football program around...and didn't have a lot to work with:

www.espn.com

No longer a 'laughingstock': How Matt Campbell turned around Iowa State

Matt Campbell has No. 10 Iowa State in the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl, the first New Year's Six bowl game appearance in school history.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
Seeing a lot of not Campbell may not be the guy posts this am. Some are posting that our AD and President are in Ames this morning.

Also, a player has leaked audio of our AD dropping the F bomb over and over in the locker room which is a bad look and seems to have done it to sabotage the head coach search possibly in their effort to get Terry the job. For this reason, I now think we have to cut ties with Terry and all Franklin staff. It is no surprise that there was definitely some cancer in the locker room this year. I think that goes beyond immaturity and into simply coerciveness and disloyalty. Plus, I believe that in PA, you legally have to know that you are being recorded for a private speech to be publicly released. So the player(s) that did this or released it may be in some legal trouble.
 
Big104EvuhDuh said:
"100 percent necessitated that Franklin had to be fired" is ludicrous on its face, ironically. They could absolutely have given Franklin the season and then fired at the end. They could have sat him down and talked performance metrics, tried to figure out what was going on with the ugly skid. In other words, they could have considered consequences and acted judiciously! This was a big swing and a miss, filled with big di** energy and implying that coaches and people are entirely expendable when there are championships to win- another ludicrous move based on wildly off-kilter assumptions. Even in the NIL era, football players and coaches are people, not chess pieces to be wielded by the brand, you know, and treatment matters. Dumping Franklin exactly like Nebraska did 16-31 Scott Frost sends a hell of a message and delusion with entitlement chasers is a hell of a drug combo.

You insisting that a 3-game swing, however unfortunate and unexpected, negates what Franklin did is exactly what I'm talking about. Calling me dishonest is exactly what I'm talking about. Kraft swinging a hammer with a big ****eating grin seemingly in the knowledge that a cadre of hardcore fans would defend it- after demanding it- is also what I'm talking about.

Keep equivocating and swinging for the fences about why it "Had to happen" when the results have been outright disastrous. No coaching search has been as dismal, player exodus as brutal and the ex-coach landing on their feet so rapidly, successfully and seemingly backed by a narrative of humanity. Keep griping, carping, moaning and zealously denigrating- oh and definitely talking about 1950- see how it keeps going.
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You're correct that it wasn't 100% necessary that Franklin had to be fired. But it was at least 99% that he had to be fired before the end of the season. Only the timing of his firing is really debatable.

Franklin was fired for not getting the job done in big games and the "skid", really a "collapse", was just the thing to force PSU to make what was coming anyway a reality.

Everyone should know by now why Franklin was fired. But in case there's any failue to recognize the true reasons, I'll list them here once again:

James Franklin's record against top-25 teams is 15-28, and his record against top-10 teams is 4-21. This is often cited as a significant area of criticism, as his .160 winning percentage against top-10 opponents is the third-worst among coaches with at least 25 such games.

  • vs. Top-25 Teams: 15-28
  • vs. Top-10 Teams: 4-21
  • vs. Top-5 Teams: 1-8
  • vs. Michigan and Ohio State: 3-7 against Michigan and 1-10 against Ohio State
 
GregInPitt said:
You're correct that it wasn't 100% necessary that Franklin had to be fired. But it was at least 99% that he had to be fired before the end of the season. Only the timing of his firing is really debatable.

Franklin was fired for not getting the job done in big games and the "skid", really a "collapse", was just the thing to force PSU to make what was coming anyway a reality.

Everyone should know by now why Franklin was fired. But in case there's any failue to recognize the true reasons, I'll list them here once again:

James Franklin's record against top-25 teams is 15-28, and his record against top-10 teams is 4-21. This is often cited as a significant area of criticism, as his .160 winning percentage against top-10 opponents is the third-worst among coaches with at least 25 such games.

  • vs. Top-25 Teams: 15-28
  • vs. Top-10 Teams: 4-21
  • vs. Top-5 Teams: 1-8
  • vs. Michigan and Ohio State: 3-7 against Michigan and 1-10 against Ohio State
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And also in people's minds was his consistent lack of preparedness and execution in those big games. It wasn't just a random thing. Specific failures at critical times meant that Franklin didn't understand important detail for winning those games.
 
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Jerry said:
I'd say his record at Michigan State was successful. He was then hired by LSU where he won a national championship and compiled a winning percentage of almost 80%. I'd say that's "highly successful."

The point is you can't compare Nick Saban to Brian Daboli. They're not even in the same universe when it comes to college football resumes.
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His MSU record was successful, in some regards given that it was at MSU and not a real major college football power. But successful is not legendary and backs up the point I was making that Saban didn't do anything special at the college level until he got to the SEC where he oversinged and cut down in the Spring which gave him a MAJOR advantage over every program on a conference that didn't tolerate that "strategy" which was every team not in the SEC. Which is why I believe Saban was not half the coach Paterno was and why I believe many, many very good, not great, coaches could have done similarly at Bama if they had optimized the cheating that Saban did in the same manner he did.
 
Bring in Urban for three years at $12m. Get the triage started. Then move him to GM, if he wants it.
That is my final offer.
 
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