Next coaching candidates

Big104EvuhDuh said:
Now you're being silly and this is becoming a bit of a waste of time for me. I might say that Iowa has the "Most coaching stability in the country, by far!" based on nearly any metric, but I'm not the one throwing around nonsensical grand proclamations.... that's you. In addition to bombastic, I find you ludicrous, petty and delusional.
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Well, new member with now 19 posts probably close to half rebutting me, I find you dishonest and NOT A PENN STATE FAN. You are a troll from another fanbase here to kick PSU while we are down. Get lost loser.
 
Frank Lee said:
What are the exact areas or behaviors that would be most at risk with Terry as head coach (e.g. player assessment; hiring)? And could a GM and other dedicated personnel be given added responsibilities to mitigate some or all of that risk? Again, Terry's not asked to interpret financial reports or come up with M&A strategies.
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He's never been a college HC or coordinator. He's never even been the supervisor of a college FB position coach. In short, he has never done anything close to the job he would be asked to do as HC of a CFB program valued at $1,200,000,000.

If we were talking about USF, maybe you could make a case. Brian Hartline took that job. That program us valued at $103M, which is just 8.6% of the value of PSU. To put this another way, if you have a guy that is a novice pilot, does he first fly a cessna or does he fly Boeing 777? Would his first pilot job be flying small planes, or would United hire him to fly 400 people across an ocean? Why is that? The answer is experience and risk. That pilot has not demonstrated significant competence over time, so it is riskier. Terry has done an admirable job over the last 6 games, but he, like a new pilot, has not demonstrated significant competence over time, so he is a riskier choice than someone that has done the job, at any level, over time.

I'll give you another example. If you look through history, Governors have made better US Presidents than Congressman. Why? Because Governors are Executives, just like the President. Congressional representatives are NOT. They are 1 of 535. If Brian Harline is successful at USF (ie Governor of a State) he will get a shot at a P2 job in a few years.
 
LudicrousSpeedGO! said:
Yes, Clemson was a middling power 4 school at the time that Dabo was hired. They finished the season ranked 4 times in the 15 years prior to Dabo getting the job (#21 in 2007, #21 in 2005, #22 in 2003, and #16 in 2000). Perhaps middling was a generous assessment of Clemson before Dabo.
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Perhaps immediately before. But they won a natty before we did, so don't act like it was some backwater that nobody wanted to coach at.
 
NittanyLion99 said:
He's never been a college HC or coordinator. He's never even been the supervisor of a college FB position coach. In short, he has never done anything close to the job he would be asked to do as HC of a CFB program valued at $1,200,000,000.

If we were talking about USF, maybe you could make a case. Brian Hartline took that job. That program us valued at $103M, which is just 8.6% of the value of PSU. To put this another way, if you have a guy that is a novice pilot, does he first fly a cessna or does he fly Boeing 777? Would his first pilot job be flying small planes, or would United hire him to fly 400 people across an ocean? Why is that? The answer is experience and risk. That pilot has not demonstrated significant competence over time, so it is riskier. Terry has done an admirable job over the last 6 games, but he, like a new pilot, has not demonstrated significant competence over time, so he is a riskier choice than someone that has done the job, at any level, over time.

I'll give you another example. If you look through history, Governors have made better US Presidents than Congressman. Why? Because Governors are Executives, just like the President. Congressional representatives are NOT. They are 1 of 535. If Brian Harline is successful at USF (ie Governor of a State) he will get a shot at a P2 job in a few years.
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My questions were looking for specifics and were referring to Terry Smith coaching football at Penn State, and not some guy flying 757s. I've should have clarified.
 
Administrator said:
Perhaps immediately before. But they won a natty before we did, so don't act like it was some backwater that nobody wanted to coach at.
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At the time that they hired Dabo, they had finished the season ranked only 4 times in the previous 15 years (#21 in 2007, #21 in 2005, #22 in 2003, and #16 in 2000). That was who Clemson was at that time. We cannot use revisionist history to analyze that hire. Clemson was at best a middle of the road team in a weak conference when Dabo was hired. To his credit, he elevated them over the next decade.
 
Frank Lee said:
My questions were looking for specifics and were referring to Terry Smith coaching football at Penn State, and not some guy flying 757s. I've should have clarified.
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I'll clarify. It isn't just pilots or CEOs or any other analogy to help the hire Terry crowd understand. It is ANY CAREER FIELD. People are VERY RARELY promoted multiple levels in leadership without at least showing that they are very strong leaders at the level of leadership just below the position to which they are promoted.

Usually when someone is promoted multiple levels above their current responsibilities and experience level, it ends really badly because they are not prepared. And usually when this occurs, it is because of nepotism.

I love that Terry is one of us. I love that he loves Penn State. But he does not have the experience at the appropriate level to have a high probability of success as a head coach immediately. I don't care that the players want him. If you let the players make your personnel decisions, then this program will go downhill faster than any other program out there. This is like parents that allow their kids to make their big family decisions for them. No. You have to be the responsible adult. You do that BECAUSE you have their best interest at heart. Be the adult here people. Hire someone who has shown that they were either highly successful as a head coach at or just below our level or hire someone who has been outstanding as a coordinator at a big time program and is ready for more responsibility. Don't hire a position coach who is not qualified to be a head coach simply because he is family and the kids want him in charge.
 
Frank Lee said:
My questions were looking for specifics and were referring to Terry Smith coaching football at Penn State, and not some guy flying 757s. I've should have clarified.
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Let me be clearer for you Frank. It's not about specific areas (ie recruiting). Terry has never done the job. He has no relevant work experience to suggest he can do a job at THIS level - managing multiple levels of people, and a program worth $1.2B.

The analogy of flying a cessna vs a jumbo jet is accurate.
There are reasons that people, in any field, get bigger titles/roles at smaller companies and often then take lower roles (with similar scope of responsibility) at bigger companies.
 
NittanyLion99 said:
Let me be clearer for you Frank. It's not about specific areas (ie recruiting). Terry has never done the job. He has no relevant work experience to suggest he can do a job at THIS level - managing multiple levels of people, and a program worth $1.2B.

The analogy of flying a cessna vs a jumbo jet is accurate.
There are reasons that people, in any field, get bigger titles/roles at smaller companies and often then take lower roles (with similar scope of responsibility) at bigger companies.
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It's football!! Not Apple, Nvidia, General Dynamics, or even Herlochers Mustard. He's seen it and absorbed it over many, many years. Anyway, let's just agree to disagree 🤞
 
If Campbell is the next man up, then let's hope that there's no hog butchering tycoon who's ready to ante up $5m to keep him in Ames.
 
Terry will do well at lesser programs. They play 7-man football and the balls are .08% smaller. And the staff and players are just kinda there. It's nothing like big league ball. He'll learn a lot.
 
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